From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 13:53:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254FF16A419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9913C455 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CECA20A0; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:52 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610DE2089; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 497E98449F; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:52 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <4786058F.8080101@gmail.com> <42af13c0754be09eaa392751df755d02@localhost> <47861466.5000508@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <47861466.5000508@gmail.com> (Aryeh M. Friedman's message of "Thu\, 10 Jan 2008 07\:49\:42 -0500") Message-ID: <86tzllhjnv.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wilko Bulte , Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Marian Hettwer , Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:53:02 -0000 "Aryeh M. Friedman" writes: > From previous experiences (both mine of others) the FreeBSD community > tends to be way too conservative (yes it is good to be conservative > but to the level we do it is pathological in some respects). For > example I think it is clear that some work needs to be done to improve > the ports system and I stepped up to volunteer to do most of the heavy > lifting (with two others helping) and on -ports@ got never ending > grief from people who thought that if it is not completely broke don't > fix it. Nobody (or at least nobody who matters) is saying it isn't broke or shouldn't be fixed. It's just that nobody takes you seriously because you haven't yet demonstrated a solid understanding of the history and complexity of the issue, and you've shown a lack of respect for those who have. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no