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Date:      Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:10:19 -0400
From:      Christopher Michaels <ChrisMic@clientlogic.com>
To:        'Young' <young@richardson.apana.org.au>
Cc:        "FreeBSD Questions (E-mail)" <questions@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   RE: aliening and freetel
Message-ID:  <6C37EE640B78D2118D2F00A0C90FCB4401105BF3@site2s1>

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Well, for the record, FreeBSD and other assorted *NIX's are easier to use
now than they used to be (as hard as that is to believe).  I will admit the
best resource is to have someone else "in-the-know" who is able to help you
out when you get stuck.

The next best thing is this mailing list, and I can tell you that I would
not know what I do today if it weren't for the great people here helping me
out.  Don't give up hope, it does get easier from here.  But, that's a bit
off topic.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Young [SMTP:young@richardson.apana.org.au]
> Sent:	Wednesday, August 25, 1999 5:52 PM
> To:	Christopher Michaels
> Subject:	Re: aliasing and freetel
> 
> 
> 
> >Well, glad you're coming along...
> 
> Most of my associates who have tried various *nixes have given
> up long ago and now runn screaming for the hills if anyone so much
> as mentions linux or unix ..... after all the problems I've encountered
> I know exactly how the feel. If I don't run out of patience soon and
> ever manage to get this thing working I'm gonna write a "proper"
> set of instructions to save others from having to go through all this
> stuff
> >>
> > Um now here is where I'm confused.  Do you mean that if you dial
> >from the win98 machine it works?  or do you mean that you dial from the
> BSD
> >machine and then access the internet through it using the win98?
> >
> I mean I can dial DIRECTLY from the Windows boxes
> 
> The BSD one won't do anything except stay connected for about 3 minutes at
> most and will ping / traceroute the first of my two DNS numbers ......
> NOTHING
> MORE
> 
> 
> > host unreachable... hrmm... still sounds like routing to me.  I wish
> >someone else on the list would chime in on this one tho.
> >
> OK ..... consider all those millions of Win95  internet computers the kids
> play Doom / Quake / whatever on .....  we've all set hundreds of them up,
> and never had to even give a moments thought to routing or default routes
> or
> the like ....... why won't this stupid BSD one of mine at least connect
> properly and allow me to ping / traceroute / browse / whatever as a
> standalone thing ...... isn't it better to at least get that basic thing
> sorted out before messing around with tricky stuff like LAN access /
> routing
> / whatever ??
> 
	Well, windows handles this automatically, for the most part.  And
point well taken.  But, also, for the record, I've never had as much trouble
as you are having with setting up ppp, not even on my 1st try.

	I don't genuinely know if it's a routing problem.  That's why I'd
like you to send the list the output of 'netstat -rn' and 'ifconfig -a'.
Hopefully someone (if not myself) can determine that.

	One other thing, while I know that the other end of your link is
supposed to be the ip address that you stated earlier, and most likely is.
I'd like to know, does the output of "show ipcp" (at the PPP> prompt)
actually display that number for "His Address".

> I'm re-installing BSD again now ..... should have it ready to dialup again
> in half hour with a bit of luck so I'll se if I can manage to copy that
> ppp.conf / netstat -nr stuff etc file then


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