From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 00:57:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9D516A4B3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7211B43FF3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (malin.twenty4help.se [195.67.108.195]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8G7vNcx065266; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:57:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F66C262.2050108@401.cx> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:57:22 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vulpes Velox References: <004101c37b26$de886400$020aa8c0@aims.private> <200309142333.48902.michael@gargantuan.com> <3F6575AE.3040805@401.cx> <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: michael@gargantuan.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:57:27 -0000 Vulpes Velox wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:17:50 +0200 > "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote: > > >>Michael W. Oliver wrote: >> >>>+--- On Sunday, September 14, 2003 21:15 --- >>>| Nigel Weeks proclaimed: >> >>*snipping some text* >>Being highly functional and organized does not mean it cant look >>good. I agree that the freebsd.org website is a great resource for >>those that are already using BSD, but unfortunally I dont think it >>helps attracting new users. Its probably the other way around, the >>site may very well scare some potential BSD users away to more >>proffesional looking sites, ie Red Hat's. > > > This is getting bloody annoying... wtf do you mean by proffesional? I have yet > to see what is so proffesional about redhat's site. It is badly laid out at > best. By proffesional I mean a site that does not look like something a 16 year old has made in dreamweaver. No offense to the people behind freebsd.org, you are doing a hell of a job and you deserve all the credits for it, but still the page could look a lot better. If you find redhat's site badly laid out, then we obviously have a different way of judging things. I find it good looking, easy to navigate and well thought out. Too bad their product sucks though. > > Yes, the FreeBSD site could possibly be rearranged to look friendlier to new > comers, but I seriously doubt copying redhat would help. Glib does not equal > proffesionalism, at best it is very unproffesional and childish. I have never said that we should copy redhat, I used it merely as an example. And how the hell did glib get into this? >>>Perhaps your site can fill the void for those who aren't attracted to the >>>stock FreeBSD site. >>> >>>| I'm just trying to help by coming up with ideas, instead of shooting down >>>| others,and complaining all the time. >>>| >>>| The sooner FreeBSD takes on a professional image, the sooner it'll get >>>| accepted and treated as a professional solution. >>>| >>>| Yes, it's wrong, but it's how life is. >>> >>>What is truly wrong are people who redefine their own world to match what >>>they think others want to see, rather than doing what they themselves >>>believe to be right. >> >>What I believe is right, is giving people what they want. If people >>want something else then what I want, then who is right? >> >>Why not a compromise? Make the first page and a few of the pages >>directly below it more "commercial" looking. A nice layout with just >>the basics, explaining what FreeBSD is and where to get it. The >>rest, ie the handbook, release information etc etc, can look exactly >>like it does now. If you are looking in those sections, you are >>probably a BSD user already anyway. >> >> >>>Like it or not, the world is what we (you, me, everyone) make it, not what >>>others tell us it is. >> >>The world is not what you and me make it, its what everyone makes >>it. Unfortunally, you and me are a very small part of everyone, so >>we can only change that much. > > > No, the world is exactly how you make it. If you don't step up to challenges > then things don't change. If you let idiots have their way with out doing any > thing about them, then they win. My experience is that the number of idiots in the world outnumbers the amount of non-idiots by 10 to 1, atleast. If I challenged everything I thought was wrong without first considering other peoples opinion, I would be a minority forcing my will against a majority, and I really dont like that thought. "I want it this way, who cares what the people want." I have accepted that not everyone is like me, therefor I try to adapt myself. -- R