From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 6 6:16:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEC637B400 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F5D43E3B for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from friar_josh@webwarrior.net) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (12-218-27-215.client.mchsi.com [12.218.27.215]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D3C838203; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:16:49 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Josh Paetzel To: John Bleichert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is simplicity despised? WAS: What do we need in a FreeBSD desktop? Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:15:08 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200208060815.08320.friar_josh@webwarrior.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 06 August 2002 12:29, John Bleichert wrote: > This was meant more as kudos and accolades to the designer(s) of > /stand/sysinstall, not a rant about dumbing down the installer. Sorry > about that. Bringing in new users is always a good thing, I'm just not > convinced ramping down the installer is the way to do that. > > Iff the new user has compliant hardware (and has checked to see) then the > 'instant-workstation' option is an excellent idea. I guess you'd still > need to ask for passwords, IP info ... > > Ah, my first cup of coffee ... > > JB > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, John Bleichert wrote: > > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) > > From: John Bleichert > > To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey > > Cc: Brian Astill , questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Is simplicity despised? WAS: What do we need in a FreeBSD > > desktop? > > > > > > Nobody will ever convince me there's a better wm-agnostic editor than > > nedit for a new user. > > > > Also, does anybody really want the FreeBSD installer changed? Maybe the > > addition of an 'instant-workstation' install would be ok, but in my IMHO > > /stand/sysinstall is the best installer out there. > > > > Installers should only be *so* easy. Hobbyists who want to try out new > > things should be willing to break it a few times. People who want > > butt-simple installs should just ask somebody else to do it. > > > > Sorry, I know I'll probably get flamed for that, but the thought of a > > click-through win9x install for Unix makes me ill. The linux installers > > are just this side of nasuea ... Talk about top posting and confusing threads along with massive quoting: The topic of a new installer has been going around since I started using FreeBSD in 1995. I've come to the conclusion that it must be as good as it need to be. If we needed a new installer, someone would've cobbled one up by this point. In the last few weeks, I've done a slackware install, a debian install, a FreeBSD install, a solaris 9/sparc install, a netbsd/i386 and /sparc install, and an openbsd install. In my opinion, the FreeBSD installer is as good as any of the others that I used, and I'm trying to be objective here, since FreeBSD is my first love. My main reason for not wanting a new installer is I don't think it would fit on to two boot floppies, and I do a lot of ftp installs on machines that have no need for a cdrom. I have piles of floppy drives and not so many cdroms, so being able to boot the mini-root from floppy fairly easily is a nice bonus. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message