From nobody Tue Oct 25 00:38:58 2022 X-Original-To: arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MxCjw4jwGz4g3sx for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 00:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gbe@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MxCjw4CtHz3Q8N; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 00:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gbe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1666658340; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Zh7O2hbRlC7ZjRoz6zOYHde2y4jEaICvqgLxseVZ5vk=; b=QLCXWeLN8WNWiyUNeQYJoSc+MD3f1SGHd3Nt7uzGaIVRuAiU/2TmEoRoETYCp7X2wL1h1H K5lA4/wtTPsyPNhmOxl82yiyKokHsObShvqykNg68rT2U2SK/7ib+RhZ2dHYG//3fBSa+5 9xyygeM7A2vFf66T7RQorL/HiU4bPPJNhHL5W1JWSpmiU2bYRSJd+scBQ4BXhL4d23A+Ia 8Lhmy6/cxDOBGESWXzOg8g8glllkiyTSGose6N5ZKcKBbUTGMT6EH5Tx+UgYg8+WacevZ3 a+WlThPBAqiGkvVArlIqlonnoM1htuzFk51oBE7TOBXa+TIkvUUiKtN1IcoOuw== Received: from localhost (p200300cb870da5040da9c3f56283cc73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:cb:870d:a504:da9:c3f5:6283:cc73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gbe) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4MxCjw0Ck1zslX; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gbe@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 02:38:58 +0200 From: Gordon Bergling To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Switching from sendmail to Dragonfly Mail Agent by default Message-ID: References: <20221013130533.n33j6fziwkqnjppc@aniel.nours.eu> List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fAvhd0C8m5L0ZNXE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20221013130533.n33j6fziwkqnjppc@aniel.nours.eu> X-Url: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.1-STABLE amd64 X-Host-Uptime: 2:28AM up 6:33, 2 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.17, 0.16 ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1666658340; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Zh7O2hbRlC7ZjRoz6zOYHde2y4jEaICvqgLxseVZ5vk=; b=mVsPMWMON8Zf5bKeG/Zo7BUilhA2Lw+4iOVlAgOubMfIcgrfLzg1KAhcIyvozBQQIEe7Tq FTOLaNm+vjFIOr7x+Bi3hsCiQyfrdxjzS/VjOKDVEiq1gVeLe70ICQJbrVKKypsy8XS5pN hfN00FviqCd7w08u1AgPYiyOjL375pjh/EIanw4T1vjtOCprXXcGZQV+tcXXoIoFnuZK1C R7H8LJASPLiVZPX1iXmbasra1znugjafbADL12Xc1wxMaP3xR+oSJuz9pLy+v1BP2xWtHf lPveoK+2m155wmlroQrS28DO7DTjB6l/a3eF2qchMyd41IlqYcQS9FeqXlVyrQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1666658340; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FDOR61CdxKGGN9hlQG3srKKeL/77dRRpMidkPfQ5ddzQnwWCpwiwOyOPteYEUjKelCK0kf egMzw/PqbqU+L+tP9YDoItVRCsk1ESrud0uhUIGEv1CSsg21hAkFkkApanEN6OHidIkpap x6vBBZ3NqaurIpKtap/q6Y8fLpOMOPMDyks2ZqLURSXNQn+Cg2ffyrWwevl5fM0JnWgcfy vcwHytVoMJmktHMwY3hJch9FSinXAPo5ntW8xCiqO4Iq4QPIGXPM798cbsRdzlBv9oRQ7r aacPQ7JmIypftq8xX3CLjC/QFgjSwLYGPe9lx8e34QeGgyUH18lSDR2EgfoPPg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --fAvhd0C8m5L0ZNXE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bapt, On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 03:05:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hello everyone, >=20 > As of today, on a default FreeBSD setup, a mailer agent is configured in = order > to be able to distribute locally emails (from crontab for example) and/or= for > relaying those emails. This role has been served by a stripped down versi= on of > sendmail up to now. By stripped down, I mean it is built without the supp= ort > for feature that would make it a full featured MTA, like no support for l= dap. >=20 > Long time ago we have imported Dragonfly Mail Agent, a minimalistic MTA b= orn > within the Dragonfly Project, covering exactly those needs and only those. >=20 > It has matured slowly over the time and we believe we have addressed all = the > major issues reported preventing it from being the default. >=20 > For FreeBSD 14 we would like to activate it by default. >=20 > It means: > - install by default mailer.conf from dma (and install the one from sendm= ail > in /usr/share/example/sendmail) > - activate sendmail_enable=3DNONE by default in /etc/default/rc.conf > - make mailwrappe fallback on dma. >=20 > If noone brings an obvious blocker, this change will happen in the next c= ouple > of weeks! In general +1. I personaly use msmtp for mail delivery since I don't want to mess with a full MTA configuration. If we enable DMA by default, we also sh= ould update the existing documentation. I recently discovered that following rc.= conf values are needed for local delivery of status e-mails from rc-scripts. sendmail_submit_enable=3D"YES" sendmail_msp_queue_enable=3D"YES" But since we have DMA already in base, the switch would be more then welcom= e, to move to a BSD-licsended, simple to use solution. --Gordon --fAvhd0C8m5L0ZNXE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEYbWI0KY5X7yH/Fy4OQX2V8rP09wFAmNXMCBfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDYx QjU4OEQwQTYzOTVGQkM4N0ZDNUNCODM5MDVGNjU3Q0FDRkQzREMACgkQOQX2V8rP 09zfeAf9Fwn2QymbdQeYji0/i8CBiA7bHvMsNUXIXVW9MXUuALKsERTYE4bF8xaH bvyhJEC8r0qmpFba4jAKciX+yxy9fyqrY+OyXcLkPiMRLZjLjbtBNGt6ZYYRfZBL lLcmLNoWC7y2VkR1TwcdV3HpwOEPXUQ+I6r2IAJ0lzdXJ2PUBOtArYNCvxB0LHyC e8mH4E1YfZ5HY7erHDk2Ie2G4LmVEwkP6ocS4ygE80jBS+0NSlO5anABZ7qqgzZW Hy9HCsjq+iaW7jWYk7D/S+o7XOZAkdXsBmr6x7s5Ciz8yGpvfyk2SGq63XCs/9TT FkhJKX6mr4SfSzss1uZORgkpgTeHEA== =wFqM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fAvhd0C8m5L0ZNXE--