From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 1 09:01:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA10225 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10099 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id SAA09892 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:59:01 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id RAA29750 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:57:30 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id RAA17767; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:57:29 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199602011557.RAA17767@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Good news -- pipe stuff To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:57:28 +0200 (EET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602010245.CAA02109@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Feb 1, 96 02:45:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello John, # Rules of thumb like 2x or 3x kind-of don't really model what is happening. # A better model would be "sum up the size of all of the programs that you # are running (including malloc areas, etc)". If that is bigger 2X the # amount of memory that you are using, then that is how much swap space you # need, otherwise 2X memory is a good bet. Who can say apriory what programs and how many of them you'll be running tomorrow? Today your'e Ok, tomorrow you suddenly get some 15 sendmails running on the queue, and several uuxqts, and so on, so on. And I'm not really sure that running out of swap is safe at all; and probably there _is_ some empiric ratio between RAM and swap, which keeps system alive and response time low, back in 1.1* days heavy swapping on slow disks just stopped the system; with new FreeBSD things are _much_ better, and new disks are much faster (compare today's 2.5-5.0Mb/sec on new SCSI drives and 0.7-1.0Mb/sec on old IDE!). Swapping doesn't hurt any more. This is a Small Wonder and a Great Victory of both Mr. Dyson and HDD industry, really! :-) And more RAM might be added someday. Why save some 32Mb of disk today if you'll maybe insert 16Mb more RAM next month? # # John # -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1.