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Date:      Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:15:36 -0500
From:      David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>
To:        freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: filesystem safety and SCSI disk write caching 
Message-ID:  <199810150015.TAA12721@nospam.hiwaay.net>
In-Reply-To: Message from Don Lewis <Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com>  of "Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:59:24 PDT." <199810140559.WAA17612@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> 

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Don Lewis writes:
> On Oct 13, 11:16pm, "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote:
> } Subject: Re: filesystem safety and SCSI disk write caching
> } >} This doesn't follow.  If the cache is disabled, it doesn't matter if
> } >} the drive loses power due to hitting the reset button.  We already 
> } >} know that losing power on a drive that cached data will not work.
> } >
> } >I didn't hear the sound of any mechanical things spinning down.  The
> } >machine just started going through its boot sequence.
> } 
> } The drive will reinitialize to the 'power on state' if the power fluctuates
> } into a zone that might invalidate it's run-time state.  It doesn't take a
> } very long spike for the drive's power-glitch sensor to go off.  In this
> } case, dropping cached contents on the floor is much safer than attempting
> } to continue from an unknown state.
> 
> If that's the reason for the problem that I saw, then the UPS the
> system was plugged into wasn't sufficient to prevent the problem.

Before you fight it too much more, replace the power supply. I've cured 
a number of "impossible" problems with a new power supply. One 
spectacular example was a Power Mac 7200/120. Crash, crash, crash. 
Sometimes it would run for 30 minutes. Sometimes overnight. Technician 
replaced everything several times over a couple of weeks. Everything 
but the plastic case and the power supply.  I insisted on a new PS the 
last time back. And it worked like a charm.

Power supply filter capacitors age with heat. And lose their ability to 
be good capacitors. No telling what kind of noise is on your DC power 
wires inside the case. Your PS could be generating a spike of its own 
on RESET when/if something suddenly demands a lot of current. Or if 
something suddenly quits demanding the current it was using.

Switching power supplies need to be able to run thru a missed cycle or 
so. Or at least for 4 milliseconds. Inexpensive UPS's are "on-demand" 
and can take as long as 4 milliseconds to detect dropped power and come 
to the rescue. Otherwise on-demand UPS's are doing nothing. They might 
be acting as "surge suppressors".

Bought a Best Power Inc, FerrUPS 700 a couple of years ago at a hamfest
for $125. This UPS uses a ferro-resonant autotransformer and is online
100%. My voltmeter says its putting out 125VAC while my line voltage is
119. It also keeps my feet warm.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net
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