From owner-freebsd-current Sat Sep 14 12: 3:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A8D37B400 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F9A43E72 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8EJ3PPQ052917; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g8EJ3Pua052916; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200209141903.g8EJ3Pua052916@apollo.backplane.com> To: Matthew Jacob Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 as a desktop 'failure' report References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :The first install failed because the BIOS and FreeBSD couldn't agree on :disk geometry. Then I laid the disk out with inadequate space in /usr :partition- my 'pilot' error really. Did you try the auto option in sysinstall to create the filesystem layout? Are the defaults sufficient or do we need to bump them up? :In 5.0-current, the rp driver is unable to sustain 9600 baud of input :w/o dropping at least 25% of the input characters. That made the system :unusable for the purpose I'd been (easily) using it before. This reminds me of my old NeXT box. No, wait... it reminds me of my old Amiga except that the Amiga could at least handle 57600 without too much trouble. :I could have done a more formal test here- but Murray had asked us to :please *try* 5.0 as our desktop at least (as opposed to the server stuff :which I've been doing all along)- so I decided to oblige him and give it :a whirl, as a casual customer, say- with disappointing results. : :I believe that I didn't have really broken or odd hardware. The :RocketPort may be a bit unusual- but the booting issues with a 440LX+ :really shouldn't have happened. : :I suppose that by the time 5.0 makes it a CD for a real release, there :will be a fully functional window system- but the lack of an ability to :right now, have something 'just work' -even if *suboptimally*- makes :this something for the "Not Recommended' CR category. : :Now- I'm just mentioning this as my experience- I'm not mailing this to :start a big flame war- if everyone wants to say that my experience was :just an edge case, that'd be fine. I feel I've done due diligence to :*try* 5.0 as a desktop: It's not ready for me at least. : :-matt I think what is most telling about your experience is that "detail matters". All it takes is one broken device driver which you happen to need and, BOOM, that is the end of it. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message