From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 20:17:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B0537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CB243E7B for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g983HlXC015101; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g983Henm009548; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g983HeS01305; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHR4Y4>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Patrick Kelso'" , Denny Reiter Cc: Jamie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:16:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I blame that on the software not being smart enough, I think no one should ever have to configure their mail client with all kinds of info about servers, The software should figure it out on its own. But I don't want to get started on software =) -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Corporate Research & Development "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 The single point of failure is the l4 switch though. (and it did fail once. We had a spare identically configured so even a helpdesk phonemonkey could swap it in. downtime, less than 5 minutes.) Secondary MX should be on a seperate network and subnet. Often upstream providers can help with that, or look at a deal with another small ISP who uses a different upstream provider to swap secondary MX servers. And to whoever said a well run helpdesk and support site can teach customers how to configure their mail clients for multiple servers, I qoute Douglas Adams; "People who design things to be completely foolproof, often underestimate the ingenuity of a complete fool" Spend six months on a helpdesk teaching home internet users to configure netscape mail or outlook express to check even one account, and maintain your sanity. I dare you :) Cheers, Patrick Kelso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message