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User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <8B8086D4-C68D-4C8A-86F2-C35212823B94@ketas.si.pri.ee> <73b4a16d-30f3-44b6-8477-aaa8e5aff82a@gmail.com> <20251103181232.3d7c8825415f1d2ad3f08c6e@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.37 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.835]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3249, ipnet:2001:7d0::/32, country:EE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4d0gSd0Jq9z41fp On November 3, 2025 7:32:59 PM GMT+02:00, Tomek CEDRO = wrote: >On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 6:06=E2=80=AFPM Sulev-Madis Silber > wrote: >> (=2E=2E) >> the optical disks are most of cases readonly, they could retain data we= ll, could be pressed into permanent disk, would be allowed in high security= environments where usb would be not maybe >> >> i miss the optical use cases here, anyone give me insight? > >1=2E read only / immutable=2E >2=2E no moving parts =3D immune to mechanical malfunction like hdd=2E >3=2E no electronics parts =3D immune to esd / emp like ssd=2E >4=2E long life time far exceeding hdd/ssd (i=2Ee=2E hard coat, or mdisk)= =2E >5=2E small and light=2E > in installer context or all storage? i do hdd/flash here and i have writte= n some cd-r's=2E one rw=2E of course all are pretty much correct, or fully,= depending anyway it was about installer=2E i don't know if somebody wants to burn li= ke bd-r for install so how many isos is practical? and i wonder if larger usb stick owners could take dvd dl or some blu or we still need separate usbs? with usb there is no standard size=2E with= 64g, avg size, you could iirc fit a quite a de's there and their deps i wonder if image maker is solution=2E has own issues=2E how to verify it whatever