From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 9 00:06:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F802106564A for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 00:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBCE8FC14 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 00:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so35450wyi.13 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lpLPV6vWOnJD8Exmi5wOUNnRDGqRCEDjDMpv6gkWs3Y=; b=andpoRknZijiX+stuvHM3uzQU8CooKVWirCowij7cvGaLhmTJl4krvuVwCi1lM54MF ROwMoAjU5P0dK+nascxJAd65mxQi6W0ynLP+6MYWtgZUz76MoHx7Le0Nm1z3cw1wd4QD o0oTTxzzxTCpcR+ajY225P8UX77ofEcRFWFQ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZFa4wU19l4YEhiuyDd4hM1Y8tezNfzxKsGllOUWGFl7Dn6wFSINqus5ElqamXhErLJ 7TK9ZqOigRixrmqMv3QxJejD0lhpLez0Qfl6WU3hW+5l65RFWNnsz+u50v7BtSKW+12a iSB++7ax6q4KFeJMBJYADdVOfMqhY9qIRXEGk= Received: by 10.216.154.206 with SMTP id h56mr281574wek.94.1270771607909; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm56862gve.3.2010.04.08.17.06.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:06:43 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100409010643.3ec118cb@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20100408011505.GA30243@guilt.hydra> References: <20100404163353.GA15198@guilt.hydra> <20100404201442.b456044e.freebsd@edvax.de> <4BB9A5ED.3040309@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20100405173632.739a0c42@gumby.homeunix.com> <20100406015544.GA21119@guilt.hydra> <20100406132049.641b9edf@gumby.homeunix.com> <20100407030717.GA26298@guilt.hydra> <20100407130954.4fd56215@gumby.homeunix.com> <20100408011505.GA30243@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.7; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: perl qstn... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:06:49 -0000 On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:15:05 -0600 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 01:09:54PM +0100, RW wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 21:07:17 -0600 > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 01:20:49PM +0100, RW wrote: > > > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:55:44 -0600 > > > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 05:36:32PM +0100, RW wrote: > > > > > > > There are more things in heav'n and earth, Horatio, than are > > > > > dreamt of by designers of eagerly evaluated prefix notation > > > > > languages. > > > > > > > > And most of them are obscure for good reasons. Just because a a > > > > syntax fits into a classification scheme doesn't make it a good > > > > idea. > > > > > Shall we trade more trite sniping, or would you like to say > > > something more substantive? > > > > You started it. > > 1. No, I used a misquote to lead into a lengthy explanation. > You started with a patronising misquote implying ignorance of wider context. > > I'm not, I'm expressing an opinion that this is not a feature worth > > copying. > > Judging by your further disputations with Mr. Schwartz, I don't think > I believe you. I can live with that. If I don't think it worth copying, I'm not going to like it in perl. That's not the same as telling you what you should and shouldn't do. I don't use perl or python all that much, and I wasn't aware of quite how religious an issue this is. I thought I was commenting on a perl feature, but it appears to have been interpreted as an attack on your faith. > > > Frankly, if everybody just stuck to a purely "natural order of > > > decision" approach to imperative language design, we would never > > > even have developed structured programming. > > > > I have no idea what you trying to say here. I presume it must be > > some kind of straw man argument. > > It's not a straw man argument. Your presumption is wrong. Then your comment is simply noise. Most structured languages get by without the feature I'm referring to, and I've made it clear I'm not talking about ordering in any other context.