From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 6 17:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28186 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero-fddi.Simon-Shapiro.ORG [206.190.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28174 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fxp0.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 21312 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Mar 1998 01:49:17 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-021598 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199803070118.SAA25810@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:49:17 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: SCSI Bus redundancy... Cc: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, julian@whistle.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.at Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Mar-98 Terry Lambert wrote: ... > The point here is in the US, we are starting to think very seriously > about the concept of "Internet dialtone" (well, some of us are), and > come hell or high water, the packets must flow... I implied that in the first part of this conversation. Terry is right, as usual. > If you are going to claim to be a common carrier, like the telco, > then you need to *act* like a common carrier in terms of reliability. > > Other than overcommitted tone generators and DTMF decoders in the case > of a state of emergency (ie: the last earthquake of 6.x or higher), I > have *never* had an interruption of phone service. My power goes out > with much greater frequency than my phones ever have. Telcos run equipment on 48VDC. In most switching rooms, not only you are not allowed (and do not have) power grid AC, you cannot even generate it inside your own cabinet. > I think if an ISP isn't part of the communications infrastructure, > he'll be replaced by one of his competitors who is. Reliability is > starting to be one of the top line items people (at least in the US) > are using when choosing an ISP, now that pricing is starting to fall > into specific ranges for specific service offerings as the ISP > competition space gets saturated. ISP services are becoming a > commodity. > > Try thinking of it this way: if you have a site selling cars that's not > on an HA server, and your competitor has one that is on an HA server, > and you have a power outage in your part of California, who is the > guy in New York going to buy through, the server that's down or the > server that's up? ---------- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message