From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 00:47:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63E1106564A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jonathan.robert.anderson@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B518FC0A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicr5 with SMTP id r5so1209248wic.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=63HlJcDWcwOkw0vs0jIq1mhPXMLcijyhAknlYEvjm7k=; b=ypTi0d7EQfr4rZPjoYiD393c5UHNQU/XZvbdpclujAT3kOAfZAvDnktlWLKz7L3UeP WfNZ6c3NyPLOmIkYonUhE7IIXXuN33rVm1RWJ3we2aH0kiRyJKts/22gU3c8YWTWrDZi 9QUu2oS7X+hplr7qZtorvQEY0f43tcVBh3PrGlaTKhiAZY7jQJth928ISPNJOLJA0xIE 7Wc41zDN/CHDbootJZxvKPUCoDdCYDR4NvILLNaXz+IC3PaACqhlWubDtGFCHj//vtXW pCTuMA91AH+XAOTKhIej1w9Zyu/5XlUBUtsHDvB9RcBrWT2aH6VqiUCXiFghPzc2tbSN f0QA== Received: by 10.180.86.106 with SMTP id o10mr9158552wiz.22.1345855649261; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust323.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com. [86.26.13.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o2sm91453wiz.11.2012.08.24.17.47.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:47:26 +0100 From: Jonathan Anderson To: Glen Barber Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120825003346.GA1345@glenbarber.us> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <20120824081543.GB2998@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <50380269.6020003@FreeBSD.org> <67BB0A66-A9D2-4257-A91E-C249B8076A87@gmail.com> <20120825003346.GA1345@glenbarber.us> X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.3 (build 1164) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:39:09 +0000 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Steve Wills , Baptiste Daroussin , Doug Barton , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:47:31 -0000 On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > > On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: > > > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to > > > need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. > > > > > So, then they won't use it. I fail to see the problem here. I also fail to see the problem. :) Just to be clear, my post was arguing against Doug's assertion that few will use pkg's bootstrapper (and that this is a problem): I hope that pkgng and package sets will vastly increase the use of binary packages by FreeBSD consumers. > /usr/sbin/pkg installs /usr/local/sbin/pkg without requiring the Ports > Collection to be available locally. Which is exactly the behaviour that I want: I view the ports tree as a last resort to be used only if binary packages fail to fulfil my needs. Sometimes I don't even bother fetching it. Once again, we may be in violent agreement here. :) Jon -- Jonathan Anderson jonathan@FreeBSD.org