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Date:      Fri, 8 May 2009 21:30:03 GMT
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        gnome@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: ports/134122: multimedia/totem build fails
Message-ID:  <200905082130.n48LU3cJ032494@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR ports/134122; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To: Jeremy Messenger <mezz7@cox.net>
Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: ports/134122: multimedia/totem build fails
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:24:04 -0700

 Jeremy Messenger wrote:
 > On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:07:46 -0500, Joe Kelsey 
 > <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us> wrote:
 >
 >> Jeremy Messenger wrote:
 >>> marcus means that we want you to follow this: 
 >>> http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/bugging.html
 >>>
 >>> The multimedia/gstreamer-plugins has what the Totem's configure is 
 >>> looking for.
 >>>
 >> This is, in fact, a false statement.  I performed the action of
 >
 > Uh? You can't say that because you have no clue. See here:
 >
 > ---------------------------------------
 > # gst-inspect-0.10 playbin | grep /lib
 >   Filename:        /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstplaybin.so
 >
 > # grep playbin /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/pkg-plist
 > lib/gstreamer-%%VERSION%%/libgstplaybin.la
 > lib/gstreamer-%%VERSION%%/libgstplaybin.so
 > ---------------------------------------
 >
 Why in the world would I ever use the tool gst-inspect?  What on earth 
 would lead you to believe that there was any way for me to even know 
 that such a tool either exists or had information to give me?  Is there 
 ANY documentation ANY?WH?AER which explains that?
 
 The error message produced by the failed compilation mentions the word 
 "playbin" with no adornment.  There is no HINT anywhere in the failed 
 compilation about which mysterious gstreamer executable caused this 
 problem or any hint anywhere about how to determine for myself that the 
 error actually has any meaning at all.
 
 I have no independent knowledge of gstreamer other than the gnome stuff 
 uses it and I must install it on my system.  I install it and suddenly 
 things start breaking through no action of my own or any thing that I 
 can effectively trace.  I try to trace it and Marcus yells at me for not 
 having detailed knowledge of the internal workings of a complex, 
 apparantly fragile infrastructure.
 
 I asked a simple question: what does this word "playbin" have to do with 
 anything and how to I find out.  locate playbin produces no usefule 
 results.  pkg_info playbin produces nothing.  Saying it is a plugin 
 tells me nothing as I have already performed the action
 
 portupgrade -f gstreamer\*
 
 three or more times to no apparant effect.
 
 So, Marcus yells at me and now you are doing the same.  What would lead 
 you to believe that there is anything that would point me toward 
 "gst-inspecta" as something to use to explain the error message.  
 Perhads, the mysterious compilation error should indicate that I am 
 supposed to examine the gst-inspect executable and use its options to 
 figure things out.  Perhaps gnomeloganalyzer could point out that 
 gst-inspect might have something to say.  Perhaps you or Marcus could 
 point out the existence of gst-inspect and how to use it.
 
 Thank you so much for your completely useless advice.
 
 /Joe
 
 >> portupgrade -f gstreamer\*
 >>
 >> at least THREE times before submitting a bug report.  Joe, 
 >> apparantly, did not care to pay attention to what I wrote.
 >>
 >> I could not determine any emthod of solving the problem since no 
 >> clues existed anywhere on my system that I could find.  No trace of 
 >> anything missing or not properly installed realted to gstreamer.  No 
 >> clue where to find this mysterious "playbin" program without 
 >> individually looking at every single uninstalled port on the system 
 >> and searching for the file.
 >>
 >> The only thing that I could determine on my own was that totem kept 
 >> not building.
 >>
 >> The completely unhelpful message from marcus simply told me to do 
 >> what I had already done over, and over, and over and did not answer 
 >> the specific question that I asked:  Where the heck is "playbin" and 
 >> why don't I have it?
 >
 > Already pointed you there about that it's in gstreamer-plugins. Can't 
 > help you without have you follow the bugging.html, because I have no 
 > and no clue without your detail.
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Mezz
 >
 >> /Joe
 >>
 >>> Cheers,
 >>> Mezz
 >
 >
 



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