From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 20 14:30:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18898 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tok.qiv.com ([204.214.141.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18886 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tok.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id QAA26629; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jdn@localhost) by acp.qiv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00725; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:47:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: acp.qiv.com: jdn owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:47:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jay D. Nelson" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Masaya Kinoshita , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is there a perceived need for a 2.1.8 release? In-Reply-To: <554.861564078@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk That would probably keep most happy and offer a means for those without an outside connection. My only thought would be that, if someone is that concerned with stability, they're not likely to be using or subscribed to the SNAPS. This may be an image situation, but one that can be sold. Probably would require a readme about what has or has not changed in 2.1.x. $40 is generally easy enough to get through corporate bean counters, though a subscription is more difficult because it's open-ended. SNAPS do offer a way to keep up with the latest bug fixes and CERT plugs and it is most certainly less costly than Sun or IBM software support. Also, the only way you're likely to reach the unconnected, is USPS, so the decision window really extends to the next printing of the catalog. However provided, I think it's necessary. Corporate minds and those of us who work for them can be extremely anal about stability. The stable branch has been what I would take to management as a reliable solution and would put my neck on the line for the recommendation. (Which I have done in an AIX shop and have not been disappointed.) I wouldn't consider doing that for Linux or the other *BSDs. Personally, I would rather see the update in the formal release in place of the live file system, but the more I think about it, where it is really needed, the SNAPS would be a better mechanism. However you choose, I think it is in Walnut Creek's and FreeBSD's best interest to keep them available. Does anyone actually use the live file system? -- Jay On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: ->> Actually, I'm inclined to agree. If Walnut Creek doesn't wan't additional ->> inventory, why not scrap the live filesystem on disk 2 and deliver 2.1.x ->> instead? -> ->What if I put it on disk #2 of the SNAPshot CDs? They're cheaper to ->subscribe to ($14.95 a copy) and now that I've got a double-CD set for ->the SNAPs (a single CD was getting too squeezed) I can put a fair bit ->on the 2nd CD. -> ->I should also note that the retail price of the SNAPs is going up to ->$39.95 as a result of these increased costs, though the subs will ->still stay the same price (we don't like to increase subscription ->prices). -> -> Jordan ->