Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 19:40:22 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> To: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Chris Maness <chris@chrismaness.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: No packages with 9.3-RELEASE? [was: Re: Port Changes FAQ] Message-ID: <20140619185202.F609@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <53A27C2A.3040501@FreeBSD.org> References: <mailman.75.1403006401.89010.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <20140619130115.M609@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <53A27C2A.3040501@FreeBSD.org>
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:59:06 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 19/06/2014 04:31, Ian Smith wrote:
> > > pkg(8) is default in 10.0 and will be default in all releases to come on
> > > all branches from now on. Given that the declared EoL of the old
> > > pkg_tools is due in September there's only one more release (9.3) that
> > > could possibly not have pkg(8) as default: however, my understanding is
> > > that there are no plans to provide any old-style packages with that release.
> >
> > Please elaborate, Matthew? This is the first I've heard of this, I've
> > seen nothing in -stable or elsewhere, and I'm more than a bit alarmed.
>
> You managed to miss *all* the talk about pkg_tools being replaced by pkg(8)?
Not at all; I'm well aware of that, and am reminded with each pkg_add :)
I meant this is the first I've heard that a) 9.3 might not use pkg(8) as
default and b) there may be no plans for old-style packages with 9.3,
seeming to suggest no packages with 9.3; sorry if I misinterpreted you.
> Note that I am not at all sure there will be no pkg_tools packages for
> 9.3. However I can be sure that there won't be any updates (including
> security updates) to any old-style pkg_tools package sets after a couple
> of months.
Fair enough. If there were pkg_tools packages with it, people would
have a month or two to upgrade, but clearly switching to pkg(8) first
would be better in terms of long-term support for 9.3. Like perhaps
many folks, I'd much rather 9.3 be late than not as good as it can be.
> > If 9.3 is not to have pkg(8) packages - whyever not? - and no old-style
> > packages, does this mean no package set at all for probably the last 2
> > year extended release on the 9 branch? So will there be no DVD1 with a
> > (relatively) consistent set of packages? Will there be no ports freeze?
>
> Because the old package tools are obsolete and due to be discontinued in
> a few months? There will definitely be pkg(8) packages for 9.3.
Ok, glad to hear that. So now it's just a matter of whether the install
will support & use pkg(8) packages out of the box, especially from DVD.
> There hasn't been a ports freeze for the last couple of releases; just a
> slush and a moratorium on sweeping changes.
Yeah well it's pot luck really if integration of particularly X and KDE,
Gnome etc works out. KDE4 with 9.2-R was pretty iffy, but then I think
KDE4 is generally sad, after using 3.5.10 happily on 8.2-R for years ..
> There will be pkg(8) packages on the DVD installer images. If that
> didn't work for you when installing 10.0 that's a bug. You know that
> all supported branches have the default package repositories enabled now
> (including 8.4-RELEASE and 9.2-RELEASE)? Do you also know how to turn
> that off? Like this:
>
> echo 'FreeBSD: { enabled: no}' > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
Noticed that one just the other day; good to know if need be, thanks.
> That should solve the problem with your systems wanting to connect to
> the net. However, that 'install packages from installation media'
> thing really should just work.
I was crook with a bad 'flu for a fortnight recently, and thought I saw
something about some string indicating a CD/DVD install somewhere, but
haven't been able to find it; perhaps I was delerious and imagined it :)
I'll dig out my notes from my 10.0-R install and see if I can chase
that down .. it would be really handy for me at least if it worked from
a memstick. My longer-term ambition is still to have up to 4 install
DVDs bootable from the one (say) 8GB stick; that should be doable.
And as soon as there's a 9.3 RC with a DVD with pkgs I'll give it a
whirl from a memstick to help be sure that works ok before release.
Thanks, Ian
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