From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 14:58:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF8471F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168E1DBD for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBE706.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.231.6]) (authenticated bits=128) by flat.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0EEwZxl048623; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:58:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r0EExgWR084595; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0EExSfg099678; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201301141459.r0EExSfg099678@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: Size limit for ctm pieces From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:56:52 CST." <50F357D4.10204@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:59:28 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:58:45 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 01/13/2013 09:49 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi ctm-users@freebsd.org, > > > > Andrew wrote: > >> For example when I requested ctm-src-9 > > > > What service is this that Andrew is using ? > > Yes, Andrew had subscribed to the ctm-src-9 mailing list. The errors he > noted really were as he described them. OK, sorry, my confusion from Andrew writing "requested", I didnt realise he meant "subscribed" I wrongly thought he was talking about some individual delta fetching by mail command (though re-reading Andrew's I see no base for my wrong assumption - blame my N. winter cold ;-) Sorry. > > Is it some service from mailman (like get with majordomo) ? > > Yes. When you signed up FreeBSD used majordomo. FreeBSD now uses > mailman. One thing I have noticed about mailman is that it is much more > reliable. majordomo used to lose some of the pieces. I lose some CTM deltas & other MIME enclosure stuff, cos it gets corrupted between my POP3 servers popd-2.2.2a_5 (on freebsd-9.1 servers) & fetchmail-6.3.8_7 - on my list to fix. > > ( Prob. not ref'd in content of last URL below *** in this email ? ) > > > > He's not fetching from eg http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-svn-cur/ > > The ctm mailing lists are not archived. I never thought to ask that > they would be, but I assume that they would take up huge amounts of > space on servers around the world, that would duplicate the ftp sites. Yup, no point doing that, I was just looking around for inteterest to see what might be doing a mail order individual fetch. > > I'm subscribed to all lists as per: > > > >> From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith > >> However - there is also a ctm-src-9-fast mailing list, where you will > > > > & also when I occasionaly have a local mail failure, I 'fetch' > > from mirrors, eg ftp://ftp2.de.freebsd.org/ > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/cvs-cur.19167.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.9700.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-4/src-4.2351.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-5/src-5.0860.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-6/src-6.1634.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-7/src-7.1676.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-8/src-8.1433.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-9/src-9.0555.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/src-cur/src-cur.10748.gz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/svn-cur/svn-cur.01107.xz > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/svn-ports-cur/svn-ports-cur.00109.xz > > > > but I guess Andrew is using some other fetch by mail service ? What ? > > Andrew was originally using the ftp sites. But in a private exchange > between he and I, he found out that the ftp sites can often be half a > day old. & sometimes lots more. > ftp-master fetches from my computer about once every 4 or 6 > hours, and even after it has fetched them it takes a while to propagate. > > Some people used to offer ftp sites that directly fetched from my > computer, and tended to be much more current. If anyone wants to offer > such a service, I can open up my firewall to let them in. I can offer that on my server if people want it ? > > ---- > > > > I think there should be a link from > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/synching.html > > not justexisting link to > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ctm_rmail&sektion=1 > > but also a new link to > > *** http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ctm.html > > > > Content of that last URL looks ancient with eg: > > "There is a sequence of deltas for the ports collection too, > > but interest has not been all that high yet" > > (There's been a whole load of ctm lists for maybe a decade.) > > > > Probably easiest if someone does an edit rewrite of whole page then > > asks Stephen to bless it as correct, & the freebsd doc team to > > replace whole old page, much less work than a load of small diff > > edits ? > > > > (Only catch is unfortunately freebsd web team work with an SGML > > tool chain that has over 10 years here, has almost constantly broken > > & conflicted with other ports, so its not just a trivial edit in HTML job. ) > > It would be totally great if someone wants to rewrite the CTM pages. > > > > The people who created CTM never anticipated it would still be used > today. I have been running it for about 10 years. The University of > Missouri has provided me a virtual computer on which to create the CTM > deltas. It is really well hidden behind firewalls, as the person who > provides me this service is very security conscious. So no-one else > will be able to access it. > > If I ever suddenly died, I think it would be hard for someone else to > pick up CTM, and my guess is that CTM would die with me. But if someone > wants to get a copy of all the scripts and such like, I would be happy > to give them a tar ball. I'll not give them access to the private PGP > key unless I can be certain of who they are and that they won't abuse > it. But whoever takes over the CTM stuff can create a new key, and as > long as the FreeBSD people trust them, they will put up the new key on > their mailman web sites. > > (I'll also not give out the private key that allows me to download from > cvsup-master.freebsd.org, but since ctm-cvs-cur is due to die soon, that > is moot.) It would be a good idea to have a backup site for scripts & stuff. I can offer some resources, I'll contact you off list to discuss if what I can offer is sufficient, however should also please feel free to offer stephen as they may be able to offer more server resources than I can. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.