From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 6 21:14:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C320106567A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE128FC0A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mA6LCLwb057102; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:12:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:13:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20081106.141336.-2063499770.imp@bsdimp.com> To: bms@FreeBSD.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <49134F1C.2000102@FreeBSD.org> References: <20081106101156.GA40311@FreeBSD.org> <20081106.100323.195417660.imp@bsdimp.com> <49134F1C.2000102@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: danfe@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, alfred@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, des@des.no Subject: Re: svn commit: r184610 - in head: lib/libusb20 share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/sound/pcm sys/dev/usb2 sys/dev/usb2/bluetooth sys/dev/usb2/controller sys/dev/usb2/core sys/dev/usb2/ethernet sys/dev/usb... X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:14:32 -0000 In message: <49134F1C.2000102@FreeBSD.org> "Bruce M. Simpson" writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : > ... : > : > So the question is, why was this code imported at all? : > : : > : Seconded, especially since it says the code was reviewed by you Warner in : > : the commit log. : > : > Unfortunately, most of my reviews were ignored, as were those of a : > great many other people. There's lots of pressure for this code from : > the user community. It is an experiment, one that may well ultimately : > fail. : : Or ultimately succeed. I have every confidence in Alfred's ability to : see things through. Alfred doesn't matter so much here. Not to minimize his work to date in coordination for usb2, but it won't succeed or fail based on him alone. The success or failure of this will be how well hps can cope with the code being shared. How well the FreeBSD developers adapt the code to be closer to FreeBSD standard in a number of areas. How well people are able to fix the flaws that grew into this code base as it developed in isolation. : It is better that this is happening now, after the SVN import, therefore : the change cost may not be so great as it may have been with CVS. This is true. : One of the long-standing problems with FreeBSD is that we have been too : conservative in what we've allowed into the code base. There are sound : and compelling reasons why we have such rules, however, it's worth : remembering that competition has been able to get a foothold in various : key areas that could have been expanded into. I'm not so sure I agree with this. The problems with the usb import was social, not technical. Warner