From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 10:38:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F23837B401; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6818A43F85; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6THcmCE005125; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:38:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6THcmMg005124; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:38:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:38:48 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ruslan Ermilov Message-ID: <20030729173848.GE4940@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030722081738.GB7811@sunbay.com> <20030729095436.GB7617@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030729095436.GB7617@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: Marcel Moolenaar cc: Wilko Bulte cc: Scott Long cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG cc: David O'Brien cc: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: Floppies for ALPHA X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:38:52 -0000 On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 12:54:36PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:17:38AM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > [...] > > > This is a loosing fight. While there is still some value in having > > > floppies for x86, is there really any value in them for Alpha? My > > > understanding is that CD-ROMs have been standard on all Alphas for > > > the past 5-10 years. Netbooting is an easy alternative for those > > > without CDs or bandwidth. We do not do floppies for sparc64 and ia64, > > > and I would hope/expect that we don't do them for amd64. I think it's > > > time to cut them out of Alpha. > > > > > I plan on working on removing floppy support for AMD64 now. > > Not that we support installing from floppies on AMD64 now, no, > > this is rather a tidying up of release/Makefile and other > > infrastructure. > > > > After that, it will be trivial to axe the floppy support for > > Alpha too. > > > I've got that feeling that the consensus was to drop the floppy > support for Alpha, as supporting it becomes a nightmare. If so, Yes, that consensus seems to be there. Finally.. :) The question is if the way forward is a minimini.iso so a really minimal ISO image (<< in size that miniinst.iso) or some other mechanism like NetBSD or ancient SunOS 3.x used. Which, IIRC, was an image one dropped in to the swap area of a disk and booted from. I'm getting comments that miniinst.iso is too big. Which I buy. I also get comments that only ISOs aka mandatory CDboot is not acceptable. Which I personally don't buy :) Other than that I think the patch does what you intend it to do. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte