From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 13 16:41:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B9B1065672 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D878FC18 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EAC2935FD; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:21:52 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: tvOae+8XRAVdL65nnC3K8iXv1lsP6dhiffu/AUtN8dVz 1234542112 Received: from [10.0.1.199] (c-66-41-132-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [66.41.132.190]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6BC2272CC; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:21:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <74704C56-60C9-4074-900E-15CFA735B840@tcbug.org> From: Josh Paetzel To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86skmlm6aa.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:21:48 -0600 References: <200902090957.27318.mail@maxlor.com> <20090209170550.GA60223@hobbes.ustdmz.roe.ch> <20090209134738.G15166@treehorn.dfmm.org> <86eiy5nqjz.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090211122200.GA86644@hobbes.ustdmz.roe.ch> <86skmlm6aa.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: Jason Stone , Lyndon Nerenberg , freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OPIE considered insecure X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:12 -0000 On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Daniel Roethlisberger writes: >> Your statement is of course correct, logging in from untrusted >> machines can never be secure. However, OPIE still raises the bar >> on the required capabilities for an attack (active, real-time >> attack versus passive keylogging / data dumping). > > This conversation reminds me of a flipchart outside the terminal =20 > room at > an early BSDCon, with a list of passwords sniffed from the network and > something like "if your password is listed below, you should consider > using SSH" :) > > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no This conversation reminds me of: http://xkcd.com/538/ Thanks, Josh Paetzel=