Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:47:00 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <20200410084700.3tdgbsyrm5hjgpge@ivaldir.net> In-Reply-To: <CACNAnaF000ywitUn-HfqpFKZVXBtU78m=OXQXego9_0SxrT-jQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPyFy2AVfEzey0%2B9-b8ZS1uyn8ODOoNhCHY7fHp2uc9ASiw%2BnA@mail.gmail.com> <CACNAnaF000ywitUn-HfqpFKZVXBtU78m=OXQXego9_0SxrT-jQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--xg4dewh5hipgomde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 02:34:20PM -0500, Kyle Evans wrote: > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience > > with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-revie= w-freebsd-12-1-release/ > > > > There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, > > but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience > > a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good > > idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if > > appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD > > experience for new users. >=20 > Random small collection of thoughts I had after reading this: >=20 > 1. re: LiveCD/Amnesiac prompt, we really should indicate the expected > credentials... we already do special stuff in release/ for install > media, my initial impression is that this shouldn't be all too hard. >=20 > 2. re: default shell and niceties: complete agreement, IMO we should > at least have basically usable history at a minimum >=20 > 3. re: `pkg search xorg` -- that makes sense, given "pkg search xorg > returns too many hits to fit on a single page of a text-mode console". > Looking at sample output for that specific inquiry: >=20 > linux-c7-xorg-libs-7.7_8 Xorg libraries (Linux CentOS 7.7.1908) > xorg-7.7_3 X.Org complete distribution metaport > xorg-apps-7.7_4 X.org apps meta-port > xorg-cf-files-1.0.6 X.org cf files for use with imake builds > xorg-dmx-1.20.8,1 Distributed Multihead X from X.Org > xorg-docs-1.7.1,1 X.org documentation files >=20 There is a reason, why this is done like this, it is the historical output. Changing it will break a lot of scripts, many choices in pkg has been made = to be as conservative as possible to avoid breaking things. Best regards, Bapt --xg4dewh5hipgomde Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAl6QMoIACgkQY4mL3PG3 Plr65hAAqhJ2QdfX9DPAmGkQyDApWEfrS6agAr/77NwcWanahfB1AgQk2aJPtvX3 hnqZMmXJC1Hp3v/tRio22IohMuJ2KOvw1UjAUf4QtbiHuebwfeqp2pDXvnob4+xZ /8/hJ8oDSn6msJYZKU5BzI/4CtkP0Y+/t33gDKo8xuNQD7q600dNI0e2NoWQEQTk edxkHkGmIg0AeVXfhfLakeHX2bnIYQcg7BG9MD9SgJCxc2t2RV/RoieWz1z3pekI ZnoCRqxyiOWYYYmP4FbvBY5x4fIqM48gWD7jInbw9VJKgqbAeDt/O3X/TprTVDr/ CJw+3BAMzDFO4RVfMH7sLLl/xyj7YZNdWcS8imBJ3t3y+bepCAaVN507UtXHnmdD XC8YTD2ZkXw9JkrYacoS8neRDRy+CUpbJkHVgW9XzacSpThoQBZLHcamudhTH2Cw 5kwaMJbeh8p21WcJ0J0DSaegojlyC78Uj4QAdEwB/ONfJKZC/FHlLVGiKoW0OMor M5UfI+PYe/qAQE26D87Gk6XH28WmzsXI6Wm47jVf/P+R+8hPMSZ8FxhGG8eenkjR wlb7PmLwqnT/2kRvLNt6pFzpRz3OCjkJqMnZRLDv4/kv9EkhxO2pG07asRKq4vqf il2BfHJaKiCUWpoQOGhWhqlVFFVss4ZBDSgkCAxbLy6H/G6Y1ms= =QTm0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xg4dewh5hipgomde--
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