From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 01:11:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0340B1065672 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Received: from kientzle.com (kientzle.com [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB618FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Received: from [10.123.2.23] (h-66-166-149-52.snvacaid.covad.net [66.166.149.52]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0C1BHC1008101; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <496A98B3.1010301@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:11:15 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060422 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" References: <61484.71762.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090111044448.GC5661@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <342292.89033.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <342292.89033.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become standard compiler?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:11:25 -0000 >>... the FreeBSD base system should come complete with the >>necessary tools to build/install itself. > > OK, I quite agree it's not the same as perl: C is not something we cannot depend on. You can easily install FreeBSD without a C compiler or other build tools. There's very little reason to do so in a typical desktop/server installation, which is why this capability is used almost exclusively by people building embedded systems or special-use CD-bootable systems. But even in those environments, this concern is fading: multi-gigabyte flash parts and bootable DVDs and USB keys are becoming pretty common. Tim