From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 29 11:16: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A4D37B400; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29574; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:14:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129121021.049b31b0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:14:10 -0700 To: Terry Lambert From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Here is what IBM thinks about using FreeBSD on their newer Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200011291831.LAA19970@usr08.primenet.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001129111306.0498bb60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:31 AM 11/29/2000, Terry Lambert wrote: >Or SAMBA, which we also shipped on the box? > >These were tactical, not strategic; shipping source for these >wouldn't matter, since they don't contain any intellectual >property that matters to anyone. Let people demand the code >if they want: we include a web page with links to the source >to everything they could demand, right on the box. It doesn't seem to me that this would avoid the problems you mentioned earlier. GPLed code is still infectious. [Snip] >If you think these things would need to be exposed, then >you've missed the concept of "embedded system": all InterJet >administration was and is intended to be performed via a >limited set of externalized interfaces, predominantly the >web UI. I understand embedded systems very well -- that's one of the things I do. However, as we all know, selection is a much less powerful paradigm than specification, and fixing a box or using it to its full potential often requires the power of a command line. What's more, the strategic UI code almost certainly calls on such utilities to do its work and therefore depends upon them. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message