From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 00:22:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298933383FC for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com (mail-lf1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dNcn72Mqz4Pdw for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id c21so4712020lfb.3 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=42E085RJEvBCvZ7sRPRaaz8rjnBVuBu34JSKXiE9soU=; b=Bt7dZLMfR4EQnqLI2ojETPfEajOPyG2gNCXZlZUHm/jh069WIcjxWR+8KzqMG7KS1q iU2Lc8YQtBqtlZ+Ta6zQuYfvujX59b/zXCYD29W2At5Z4uCGMF8v5t+4F89NuC8rsAZ6 UedUTzSAaKMNbeCj8vR1tD6lCAMyiXvcDPpLg3BVMiBBkYn9aLAxVL+LJxzws2Cu4lpQ yf8WKyJEpGdjz4evKmm2B7SpL/9Vt2J8Xhylq7vxBQHjDnRxj6VA5P3gs5cDYamxa0ZB PswI3hgT0J/fHDb5W3TSIS7L/S70z7VUzcGP9KOs1aXRUrImfClwbXfpuMrlXCp/EZ1q C31g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=42E085RJEvBCvZ7sRPRaaz8rjnBVuBu34JSKXiE9soU=; b=LNcPHlTh3XzX3ujEI4AjYV6yBAdpoWPXz0LPKAY8jbxVC2+doeQG6Zr/Z/lIwzXOrn +d+6nO1k2ky8cxWBTGMOD8A9Dlo6gRrBTqj0kJfnfxX/buInqYlZlABjI12YzB7K9fom Lrdoc9HBjqvJ9t8aRlzjAyJgGWt8OSeVY0vIJOQ25ZwKG+UawHwWO09dkFQ1lVa4tN8+ AzAQQ8O5lMyN2atkgqoSLRNZyDvU6Tkf5Zr7EX0KrkcmAuWi288/s14B4LkOfewW3Psu aJB95XxG5Y4o2cMuHy5KU1Pp+Dy+sAiI0vJQwyOv/IHQsO0nciMN3zhVaTfV554p4NAV qXlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Uy0jPrQ3Ubd4tBpvsjnDq5W5rSQWZTr/gHPnDNxeiIuiTljCW ILL7LrDwu2liXbkkgzg9zDcJq6gZNV3reqVig2ToCBDw X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWRbuPPdRRKcEJQLuan+nzjR7HOeWjvVi9Sq5DgLfCZeki33k4x7g42cWWttyuqo5yfJ4Y/8sIjo6TypEcCqE= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5597:: with SMTP id v23mr3827930lfg.42.1591316519648; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 17:21:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604225938.3baf5056ebd397f4a4acf81c@sohara.org> From: Donald Wilde Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:21:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Brandon helsley Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dNcn72Mqz4Pdw X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Bt7dZLMf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::132 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.32 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.044]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.69)[0.691]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::132:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 00:22:03 -0000 On 6/4/20, Brandon helsley wrote: > [snip] > Thanks for the formatting of the message. To explain why my messages are > formatted this way, I'm trying to copy the format of these messages by > adding > wherever there is a new paragraph and indentation. At first I > thought this was all that proper bottom posting was. Now I see that most MUA > 's have automatic formating. I'll check it out and see if I can enable these > settings if they are not already. > Good for you, Brandon! I can see that you are getting a much better feel for what system-level debugging is. Code debugging is usually much simpler because you don't have to remember meta-information about each 'thing' you are dealing with until you get to a much higher level. i. e. mutt usage: console-only format: ASCII outlook usage: GUI only format: html ... As a sophisticated coder, you will end up dealing with multi-level knowledge constructs as a matter of course. When you start doing this with your girlfriends, it'll really get you in trouble... -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************