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Date:      Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:55:01 +0100
From:      Steven Hartland <killing@multiplay.co.uk>
To:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Panic in ZFS during zfs recv (while snapshots being destroyed)
Message-ID:  <55E02FF5.2060805@multiplay.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <sig.0681f4fd27.ADD991B6-BCF2-4B11-A5D6-EF1DB585AA33@chittenden.org>
References:  <55BB443E.8040801@denninger.net> <55CF7926.1030901@denninger.net> <55DF7191.2080409@denninger.net> <sig.0681f4fd27.ADD991B6-BCF2-4B11-A5D6-EF1DB585AA33@chittenden.org>

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You would need to have a very broken TRIM implementation for that to 
happen, do you have any details on the devices involved?

On 27/08/2015 21:30, Sean Chittenden wrote:
> Have you tried disabling TRIM?  We recently ran in to an issue where a `zfs delete` on a large dataset caused the host to panic because TRIM was tripping over the ZFS deadman timer.  Disabling TRIM worked as  valid workaround for us.  ?  You mentioned a recent move to SSDs, so this can happen, esp after the drive has experienced a little bit of actual work.  ?  -sc
>
>
> --
> Sean Chittenden
> sean@chittenden.org
>
>
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 13:22, Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/15/2015 12:38, Karl Denninger wrote:
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> This /appears /to be related to attempting to send or receive a
>>> /cloned /snapshot.
>>>
>>> I use /beadm /to manage boot environments and the crashes have all
>>> come while send/recv-ing the root pool, which is the one where these
>>> clones get created.  It is /not /consistent within a given snapshot
>>> when it crashes and a second attempt (which does a "recovery"
>>> send/receive) succeeds every time -- I've yet to have it panic twice
>>> sequentially.
>>>
>>> I surmise that the problem comes about when a file in the cloned
>>> snapshot is modified, but this is a guess at this point.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try to force replication of the problem on my test system.
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2015 04:47, Karl Denninger wrote:
>>>> I have an automated script that runs zfs send/recv copies to bring a
>>>> backup data set into congruence with the running copies nightly.  The
>>>> source has automated snapshots running on a fairly frequent basis
>>>> through zfs-auto-snapshot.
>>>>
>>>> Recently I have started having a panic show up about once a week during
>>>> the backup run, but it's inconsistent.  It is in the same place, but I
>>>> cannot force it to repeat.
>>>>
>>>> The trap itself is a page fault in kernel mode in the zfs code at
>>>> zfs_unmount_snap(); here's the traceback from the kvm (sorry for the
>>>> image link but I don't have a better option right now.)
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to get a dump, this is a production machine with encrypted swap
>>>> so it's not normally turned on.
>>>>
>>>> Note that the pool that appears to be involved (the backup pool) has
>>>> passed a scrub and thus I would assume the on-disk structure is ok.....
>>>> but that might be an unfair assumption.  It is always occurring in the
>>>> same dataset although there are a half-dozen that are sync'd -- if this
>>>> one (the first one) successfully completes during the run then all the
>>>> rest will as well (that is, whenever I restart the process it has always
>>>> failed here.)  The source pool is also clean and passes a scrub.
>>>>
>>>> traceback is at http://www.denninger.net/kvmimage.png; apologies for the
>>>> image traceback but this is coming from a remote KVM.
>>>>
>>>> I first saw this on 10.1-STABLE and it is still happening on FreeBSD
>>>> 10.2-PRERELEASE #9 r285890M, which I updated to in an attempt to see if
>>>> the problem was something that had been addressed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Karl Denninger
>>> karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
>>> /The Market Ticker/
>>> /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/
>> Second update: I have now taken another panic on 10.2-Stable, same deal,
>> but without any cloned snapshots in the source image. I had thought that
>> removing cloned snapshots might eliminate the issue; that is now out the
>> window.
>>
>> It ONLY happens on this one filesystem (the root one, incidentally)
>> which is fairly-recently created as I moved this machine from spinning
>> rust to SSDs for the OS and root pool -- and only when it is being
>> backed up by using zfs send | zfs recv (with the receive going to a
>> different pool in the same machine.)  I have yet to be able to provoke
>> it when using zfs send to copy to a different machine on the same LAN,
>> but given that it is not able to be reproduced on demand I can't be
>> certain it's timing related (e.g. performance between the two pools in
>> question) or just that I haven't hit the unlucky combination.
>>
>> This looks like some sort of race condition and I will continue to see
>> if I can craft a case to make it occur "on demand"
>>
>> -- 
>> Karl Denninger
>> karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
>> /The Market Ticker/
>> /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/
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