From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 26 15:25: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E96237B409; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7QMUII00800; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200108262230.f7QMUII00800@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: Mike Smith , Kazutaka YOKOTA , Warner Losh , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unknown PNP hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:14:52 PDT." <3B8974DC.57A9E085@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:30:18 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think the reason the hints are not just ignored is to allow > people to fix "rogue" hardware. I'm willing to be corrected, Good. It's like it is right now because the PnP stuff was bolted on as an afterthought. > since this looks like about 12 lines of code would make it > ignore device.hints in the "PnP BIOS present" case. We don't want to ignore the hints either; we just want them to take lower precedence than the PnP BIOS data. Hints can be perfectly valid and relevant in either the "broken BIOS" or "non-PnP device" cases. Basically, the problem we have is that we don't have the developer bandwidth to catch up with what has to be done, let alone fix the bandaids that were applied years ago. This results in suboptimal situations like this, something that's only going to be exacerbated as fully funded developer time for FreeBSD-mainline work doesn't seem to be increasing. 8( -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message