From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 05:26:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D3C16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E536043D1F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so788684rnf for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PKX7xmVOvlwzAsRMpVMxU9qnJ7J+yYFkNeCf6zgDslVA5zDKIULPV7mTkv7vj788V49Dqd+C5Pf0wmXKotEBguU6rhR0O5D1AphkPZnwK6AQDdXxJGlHgbGiLunMxNyrZjbPz+vbTmJMKHvrskrMrAVrpB9ST9IOdpuG0/NtYS8= Received: by 10.38.89.55 with SMTP id m55mr217467rnb; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.19 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:26:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:26:39 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200502112313.28082.hindrich@worldchat.com> <823196404.20050212105644@wanadoo.fr> <420DE422.3020102@wanadoo.es> <1546398643.20050212123202@wanadoo.fr> <420E0164.7090300@wanadoo.es> <1587470376.20050215001857@wanadoo.fr> <16113082.20050215014337@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: Freebsd vs. linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 05:26:41 -0000 On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:43:37 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Eric Kjeldergaard writes: > > > Well, no that's not entirely true...First off, there's the claim by > > Windows itself that it's not drivers. > > The OS itself never identifies problems as being within the drivers. > Driver code is assimilated with the kernel while it is running. Well, that's simply not true. Windows (At least XP, can't remember if this happens on 2k or not) definitely states that the error that caused the crash is or is not a driver. It says something to the effect of "The system crash was caused by a bad driver." You read the code, I'm sure you know where that message gets generated. As windows is largely infallible, I'm sure they have some way of keeping straight which portion of the kernelspace is drivers and which isn't. > > And then there's the thing where since one is including drivers along > > with an operating system, they are part of the operating system even > > if they were written by a third party. > > They are not part of the operating system. Yeah, they kinda are. If they are on the operating system cd, they are part of the operating system. An operating system is just a software package. In BSD, for example, this includes things like ls and dd. In windows, it includes things like iexplore and services. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised.