From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 24 06:52:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7265816A4CE for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F57943D2D for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.no-ip.com ([66.30.196.44]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040224145215014009uj5ie>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:52:16 +0000 Received: by be-well.no-ip.com (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 98188E; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:52:15 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: jsha References: <20040222072428.GB54683@ninja.terrabionic.com> <200402220142.32703.kstewart@owt.com> <20040224043527.GA85953@ninja.terrabionic.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 24 Feb 2004 09:52:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20040224043527.GA85953@ninja.terrabionic.com> Message-ID: <448yislecg.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: obsolete files? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:52:16 -0000 Please don't top-post. > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:42:32AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > On Saturday 21 February 2004 11:24 pm, jsha wrote: > > > hello. > > > > > > does make world leave obsolete files on your system > > > after install? without even the slightest effort to > > > remove them? > > > > > > please say it isn't so. i like make world. > > > > > > > Worse, it is known to cause fatal situations where you have to use the > > fixit disk to recover your system or do a reinstall. If you upgrade a > > kernel that panics, you will be committed to using the bad build. The > > installworld being run after the installkernel and reboot to single > > user mode is for your protection. > > > > FWIW, even installworld leaves obsolete files on your system at various > > times. > > > > Kent jsha writes: > damn, this sounds bad. > > so what, freebsd from scratch is the only way to avoid this? > > and how come make/install world is made like that? shouldn't > the developers try to avoid this kind of thing? Following the documented upgrade path (including checking UPDATING for any "special" actions needed at a particular point) will avoid having an unbootable system. Kent Stewart was explaining why using "make world" is less safe than using the documented procedure. And having a few obsolete files left behind is not generally a problem. It's possible to find some and weed them out, but it's not worth worrying about.