From owner-freebsd-current Fri Dec 10 10: 4:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115B7152B1; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA06154; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:04:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Mike Smith , Christopher Masto , Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:57:44 MST." <199912101757.KAA19772@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:04:33 +0100 Message-ID: <6152.944849073@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199912101757.KAA19772@mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes: >> What we need here is a commitment to these new initiatives, not a lot of >> fence-sitting and clutching our knitting to our chests. > >If all our users were developers I would agree. But *most* of our users >are not developers. -CURRENT should have very few users who are not developers in some capacity. >Good question. What are we trying to achieve here? I thought it was to >provide the best OS that is usable to the largest number of users? And this requires us to move away the old cruft so we force the people on the bleeding edge to test the new stuff. All in all, it sounds to me like a lot of people are presenting a stance which can be summarized as: "why should *I* have to be guinea-pig for the ata driver in -current make somebody else test it first." To which the answer is: If you decide to run -current you have tacitly agreed to be a guinea-pig for FreeBSD developers, so shut up and test. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message