From owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Fri Feb 1 21:07:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E3E14C0A3E for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A66816CC for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from crayon2.yoonka.com (crayon2.yoonka.com [10.70.7.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x11L7KSL074649 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:07:20 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: The status of docker To: Pete Wright , Mark Blackman Cc: Stefan Bethke , freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org References: <089e330d-2761-2440-3b7f-dd22e9088af5@gjunka.com> <929CF558-E8CC-4F7D-9C30-DDD63C17861D@lassitu.de> <94964BDE-7B14-424B-88A5-4D8F4A9AAC56@exonetric.com> <83736f61-abe9-d85f-a782-1b684808678c@gjunka.com> <11fa9f16-0745-c86e-4820-fd9349b4d1ef@nomadlogic.org> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <01255294-b0d6-3de9-6cde-671bd763a5a8@gjunka.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:07:20 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11fa9f16-0745-c86e-4820-fd9349b4d1ef@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB-large X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 31A66816CC X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: gjunka.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.798,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.64)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 88.98.192.0/18(-4.77), asn: 56478(-3.81), country: GB(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 21:07:25 -0000 On 01/02/2019 19:49, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 2/1/19 11:39 AM, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> On 31/01/2019 07:50, Mark Blackman wrote: >>> What problem are you trying to solve with docker? >> >> There is a misunderstanding. I am not trying to solve any problem. >> The team I am working with is using docker during development (by >> using a preconfigured container they avoid having to setup a complex >> backend system on development/CI machines). I was hoping to use >> FreeBSD during the development but it proved difficult. I now have a >> choice of either switching to Linux natively (as bhyve didn't help) >> or to use MacBook Pro - both supporting docker out of the box. > > might be worth taking a look at hashicorp Vagrant.  i've used it with > success in developer workflows  in the past where most devs were on > macOS and we were targeting FreeBSD. > > https://www.vagrantup.com/intro/index.html > https://app.vagrantup.com/freebsd/ > > > IMHO docker on macOS is kinda hacky since you end up running Linux > inside virtualbox, then launch docker on those VM's (at least I > believe that used to be the case if things have changed).  i also feel > like docker is a double edged sword (aside from the fact that it locks > you into linux) in that most people don't do a good job tracking > dependencies or actually apply updates/patches to base docker images. > Looks like that that's no longer true and hasn't been true for the past 2 years: https://containerjournal.com/2016/08/15/docker-not-just-linux-anymore/ But it also looks like something similar could have been achieved by replacing xhyve/Hyper-V with bhyve. If docker is open source then that shouldn't be a problem?