From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 22:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F39916A41F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:25:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF69C43D60 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:25:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (pcp0011279654pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2006010322250801400qj8ese>; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:25:08 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:22:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200601011734.52680.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> <43BAF1C1.3000608@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <43BAF1C1.3000608@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601031722.02480.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Free BSD install tutorial I wrote X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:25:11 -0000 On Tuesday 03 January 2006 16:50, Josh Soza wrote: > Allen wrote: > >I wrote this quite a while ago and I've posted it to the docs list before > > and it got a good repsonce, but I've seen a couple install questions on > > here so I'm going to link to it again for this list. I don't think there > > is an easier to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did > > do very well with it in making it easy as crap to install: > > > >http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259335 > > > >You don't have to sign up to read this. > > > >-Allen > > First off this is NOT a flame. But I found your tutorial extremely hard > to follow. First what does a user do if they can't boot from CD? I believe in the intro I pointed out "Assumptions" that you need to boot from CD for this particular tutorial. May God have mercy on anyone trying to do a floppy install. Even the books say not to do that. Ah here it is: Assumptions: You have a CD-ROM drive You won't be sharing the HD with another OS (If you are, when it comes time to partition, you're on your own I won't be showing you how to partition to use another OS with it, as I don't, and don't feel the need to, as there is enough documentation to get you through this anyway, and besides, you have to partition to use Free BSD anyway, so if you can do that, you can do it to allow another OS to reside on disk with Free BSD too.) You will be setting up a network connection. (If you are not, then skip that section). > Are > there any preinstallation tasks like: inventory of hardware, ps/2 mouse > or serial, size of partitions, user accounts/groups(other than root). I > personally find it easier if you have a plan rather than shooting from > the hip. Again I believe that was pointed out as well where I pointed out the others I wrote, those say to grab all hardware info from your current OS as you'll need it. And I believe it was pointed out in this one as well. Not positive as I'm not reading through the entire thing, I've been up for 24 hours and I'm to tired to look when I know my other tutorials are linked to at the bottom and that do say to do so. > You should have just told people to use the FreeBSD book or goto the > handbook online. I did.... Several times. Except I took out online and put "Buy these two books as they are good for anyone using BSD". Again, I believe people should at least buy those two books listed in the tutorial, both go over installs with pictures, and again, this was meant for people that you rightly pointed out don't care how the computer works. The users who've read it and used it have told me it was the easiest doc the have ever read and they were glad it was in non technical terms for them. A couple admins told me they have printed this out and put it up at the office. > Another thing is that most people don't want to know or figure out how > to install an operating system. They just want that puter thing to > work. They don't care about disk partitions, video cards, or mouse > daemons they just want it to work. > You say: > > "I don't think there is an easier > to follow installer help anywhere. Not arrogance, but I did do very well > with > it in making it easy as crap to install" > > I guess thats anitonline.com for yah. > What about http://www.freebsd.org/handbook as Frank said. > You should join the core team with your humbleness. Then in a later > post on this thread you go onto say "Lots more but I'm not going to > waste space." For that I applaude you ;) Again this isn't a flame just > being brutally honest. I think Frank said it best "Good luck on your > future writing, I hope that I didnt come across to strong on this post, > But it is what it is." If I got bothered because someone didn't appreciate my work I'd sure be depressed. I've been flamed to the point someone said something I wrote was complete crap and I should commit suicide. THAT was harsh. And another mail I sent to the list today, I pointed out the reason I didn't link tot he docs. I WANT people to BUY the books from Free BSD to help support the project. You can't possibly think that was wrong of me, the developers need to eat too. > > -josh > > p.s. Hello World! Sorry I'm a newbie...Had to get that out :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"