From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 4 23:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24918 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24859 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:41:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15827; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:39:38 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199803050739.IAA15827@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Donations. In-Reply-To: <3505f27d.44276580@mail.cetlink.net> from John Kelly at "Mar 5, 98 00:38:07 am" To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:39:38 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to John Kelly who wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:11:25 -0800, Mike Smith > wrote: > > >What people are resisting is that the FreeBSD project, whose volunteers > >are already chronically overworked, should do this finding and > >organising for you. What is *annoying* people is that this has been > >said to you at least five or six times already, and you appear to have > >either ignored or simply failed to understand it. > > You're just not getting it, because you're still thinking small. NO, we are just thinking :) I for one would probably loose interest if the project went into a more corporate style, with money being the item that decides what to do and what not. I get plenty of that at work thankyou. You should realize that the driving force behind the project is that we do this FOR FUN, and because it makes us feel good to work on a free project that can turn out software, that is as good if not better than the big commercial entities. If I wanted to do it for the money, I wouldn't be here, I'd spend all my time consulting, and pile up the bucks :) But for some of us money isn't the main issue, its the challenge to do what we do, its the reward of seeing that your ideas/work is being used worldwide. That being said, we must realize that most of us are buzy & over- worked, and only has so much left to put into the project. The solution to this is that donations might buy some of the developers time to work on FreeBSD, but still be able to by pizza, diapers and what else is nessesary to sustain life. > I'm not asking volunteers to do anything. I'm proposing a model which > may *possibly* attract enough money to create an organization which > can affort to hire administrators to handle those chores, and pay the > coders for what they do best. > > Think in terms of a $10,000,000 (or more) budget per year and you will > begin to see the light. That would be turning a volounteer project into a real business. I think that would be fatal to the project as alot of people would just run away screaming.... If you want a commercial BSD, go for BSDi.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message