From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 11 15:25:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51992106566C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB678FC0C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so3950553iak.13 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D24NuCEaI2a9Z8ul5063BG2aLtqG2bUpkmnGCwTV8Ps=; b=VBmqVEdEn8TIO3+6T60ookGXZFxiP7bvHWN81/ubYVAvX3yq0egYADNMlBrBqTxrM3 H6VGpk8qg7mXVrIyVp+SAIaAStODIEcVX2QdXvxs6Rhz82xgR6xP5BQA9ItA+1dZ3AyN d5Gkd+G65xudpr1PqBPPRSce1WczPfcDBIMBc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.65.209 with SMTP id k17mr2974068ibi.4.1321025152280; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.34.140 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:25:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBD33A1.2070705@quip.cz> References: <2171368.58yxYs0Lbv@funbeast> <2185571.xNZoOVfxaV@funbeast> <4EBD33A1.2070705@quip.cz> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Chuck Burns Subject: Re: Use of newest version number such as 10.0 instead of current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:25:53 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > Chuck Burns wrote: >> >> On Friday, November 11, 2011 08:17:52 AM you wrote: >> -snip- >>> >>> My sentence is NOT about "Current" , but 9.0 RC1 . >>> Perhaps , you will NOT say , if a person is NOT knowledgeable , he shou= ld >>> NOT use 9.0 RC1 . >>> >> >> If you use a proper RC, then pkg_add will work until a new RC, and since >> there >> is no binary upgrade path for anything other than releases, you will nee= d >> to >> reinstall, with the newly released RC. > > You can use freebsd-update for RC upgrades too! > >> -snip- >>> >>> Up to now , my most disappointed situation is that , there is NO any >>> tendency to >>> lower required expertise level to use FreeBSD . >>> Such an approach is confining FreeBSD to a small number of elite users >>> =A0when compared to millions of Linux users let alone hundred millions = of >>> some other operating systems which they are approaching to billions whe= n >>> version users are summed in spite of paying money also . >> >> GhostBSD, PCBSD are two options for "lower expertise" and, as such, are >> billed >> as desktop versions of FreeBSD. >> >> FreeBSD itself (as well as the other BSDs) is a minimalistic OS, where y= ou >> can >> build your own system, making it either into a server, workstation, or >> even >> into a desktop system if you so desire. >> >> If you want something with point-n-click ease of use, go use one of the >> two >> desktop-oriented versions. >> >> Both GhostBSD, and PCBSD are just a desktop environment built on top of >> FreeBSD. =A0PCBSD even has a 9.0 RC out now as well, if you're into test= ing. >> >> PCBSD uses the kde environment, and GhostBSD uses the gnome 2.32 >> environment. >> If you want something else, feel free to create your own. There is nothi= ng >> in >> the BSD license that prevents you from doing that. >> >> Instead of complaining that SOMEONE ELSE should do something that YOU wa= nt >> done, why not just do it yourself. >> >> In other words, put up, or shut up. :) > > Really, this is not a proper worded answer to someone who just tried to > request some more friendliness to new users and increase our user base. > > It doesn't metter if there are some other "freebsd based" projects. FreeB= SD > it-self has a problem - fewer users =3D fewer manufacturers will support > FreeBSD (drivers). > > Miroslav Lachman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > I agree 100%. The more people follow current the better releases we will have in the future. Sure current in not for the beginner, you will need to be able to compile world and kernel and produce debug symbols. That is expected. But maybe we should keep an open mind into ideas and not condemn them immediately. --=20 George Kontostanos aisecure.net