From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 16:40:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E74106566B; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lichray@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F028FC14; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iayy25 with SMTP id y25so6923238iay.13 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iDoIYS4C/oJFGvzehwq3Ktr0Db++7/LA+W2dG4NddIM=; b=yyTqFOV0WprHaZjg3G5o/nSz0mTTxDCkl8oID2Xge7SFzeH4E18EChH4XAWvYW3pQR YFcFaDrA7HBjZpDxJxT7VaOQ1XmGrnyysnOkdroNj/UyIxxhccXMmQkvfxmCpFxV3U2j rSWSVXOUwnkWU9rL03JF16wlDRt7tfRtmb8iEzkj6+wqnxW2UCTNhJC6S/OPdc0ZdQqm Bak2TL7xMLOh952O4PdnWfR9dtneANQCC18+VITpc1J2toDIg4c2SIfY8HHBxHnFXd9B jbAkWNv6LIGikHZjceqOYkfAsHmArX47pgPGWOSYEXtONYqefCmIGZK75dH4yZpSSZQA 62uQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.40.225 with SMTP id a1mr7507702igl.51.1347900033306; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.127.76 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:40:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Zhihao Yuan To: Poul-Henning Kamp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Lorenzo Cogotti Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:40:34 -0000 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message > , Zhihao Yuan writes: >>On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >>> My suggest was 100% serious: Assume X11 _is_ the graphical >>> environment, pick a toolkit which is written to work with >>> any window manager, which all good toolkits are, and move on. >> >>You can "assume", but you can't deny that X11 is not GUI at all, and >>twm is not a modern GUI either. > > You are confusing "window manager" and "graphical user interface", > one is layered on the other, your homework is to figure out which. GUI is a concept. People can use WM or DE as their GUIs. X11 is not usable from a user's point of view, so it's out of the question. So far, your statement "Assume X11 _is_ the graphical environment" is already nonsense. And then, a modern GUI should take care of Wifi, automount, and many things can't be done with a single WM. That's why I said "twm is not a modern GUI". So far, any questions? > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. -- Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/