From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 29 21:51:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7800106564A for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6FB8FC12 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4TLowA8072249; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:53 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20080529215053.GB62524@thought.org> References: <20080529065732.GA36261@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:51:01 -0000 FWIW, I'Ve switch back to mutt. i can't live without vi.... On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:30:05AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Don't bother, Gary. > > The world is moving towards CMS systems for hosting websites. do we have such a mngnmt system tool in ports?? > > The ultra-cheapo people use godaddy's site builder and > put crap on a crappy-looking interface. HMmmm. it's ben my experience that if you keep a page *simple*, that serves best. now i'm not talking about "Sam's New and Used Dildos and Computers" that's got animations screaming at you. With 50 text and graphic ads/page plus flashing text. i'm talking about something more together. low-impact AND inventive. i've learned that if the content sux, all the bells and whistles won't help. > > The better hosting companies each have their own site builders > and look better, and are populated by acres of garden-variety corporate > and the occassional personal sites. > > Very, very few people custom-write sites in HTML anymore. > Most people use sitebuilding software (frontpage was the original, > it's deprecated now in favor of other newer tools) either running > on their PC or on the server. > > black text on blue is terribly hard to read for most people, > read up on how the human eye works to understand why. the why is simple, reduced contrast; that's why i have black text on a white bg. Or so i thought until i saw how konquorer (and opera) were munging my homepage. firefox displays a graphic [link] with a stylized "J"; it is not displayed by the other 2. that might be where to start looking. > > Put your time into loading a CMS system on your server then > create your site in it. Yes the learning curve is steep in > the beginning but it's not rote memorization of HTML tags. It > is understanding how all the things work together. you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, '93-4, there was
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, , and . i wrote a 2.2K-line program to handle "hi" -> ``hi'' and a couple other things. the code has evolved, of course, but still works. looks like what i need NOW is a debugger, :-) i have virtually zero design skills .... except "keep it simple" gary > > Ted > [[ save the electrons ]] > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org