From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 3 23:58:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C789516A420 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:58:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B313343D45 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:58:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id k23NvLp23267; Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:57:21 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <20060304105721.55581@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:57:21 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Craig Boston References: <44077E79.2080708@rogers.com> <200603030545.45427.joao@matik.com.br> <4408607C.9040703@rogers.com> <200603031726.02094.joao@matik.com.br> <4408A8C1.3060303@rogers.com> <20060303215433.GA26907@nowhere> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <20060303215433.GA26907@nowhere>; from Craig Boston on Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:54:33PM -0600 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: Mike Jakubik , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, JoaoBR Subject: Re: Fresh install on gmirror'ed disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:58:24 -0000 craig and the rest of the gang ... On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:54:33PM -0600, Craig Boston wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:36:17PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote: with some chunks removed for brevity ... > > It takes much more work, time, and complexity to 1) boot cd and > > install os 2) reboot to os and follow a complex procedure to setup > > geom based raid than it does to 1) boot cd, make gmirror with > > installer, install os. > > Well, honestly, someone who is knowledgeable enough to set up a complex > _bootable_ geom based raid on an existing install would probably find it > easier to do what I usually do: > > 1) Boot install CD and go to fixit mode > 2) Set up RAID the way I want > 3) Do a manual install by extracting the packages onto the new filesystem this procedure makes sence to me .. perhaps you would be so kind as to forward it to teh doc's people to have it included in a) the relevent RAID sections and b) the places that talk about initial installation and rebuiling a system with the explicit inten of adding/converting it it a network storage facility come RAID network media/hdd procidor facility. i've never had need for RAID i prefer to rely on my QIC storage its guarenteed for 20 (twenty) years storage/shelf life thats good enough for me. i think that RAID would be a good thing to add to a -STABLE system as most beginners (sorta like me thionugh i've been in teh freebsd camp of a bit over ten years now. i have a small network here that services several remote dialups we are building a text bibliogarphy/latex based document[ation-ing] system .. back to unixen grass roots ... grin. > That avoids the intermediate install and the hassle of migrating > partitions around. yup that sounds really good to me and when properly documented it would be a good feature to have at least to be able to say "go to page blabla" of the doc's set/handbook/or probably the FAQ set. > That said, I think it might be a good idea to have a few simple RAID > configurations in the installer -- say a full-disk mirror or something > relatively fool-resistant. I'm sure patches would be welcome if anyone > wants to step up :) craig, RAID no matter how simple is a step of complexity that is not warrented for the "Installer" as most people new to freebsd are new to unix and these days new to computing in general or have just enough ms windows under their belts/skirts to be a bloody nuisance to themselves and to every body else untill they get to a point where they are familiar with the language, understand reasonably well how things fit together and can handle html/a browser with some degree of competance, i make this observation based upon my own experience and that of several peoples who have come to freebsd from linux a few from vaxen days and a fair contingent with a resionable gradiet from got my computer yesterday to got this miserable hard-disk replaced for teh 4th time and it still keeps on filling up over night, why do thes dhard disks keep filling up so quickly ??? with kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ====