From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 30 10:52:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19928 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (root@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19923 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i4got.lakewood.com (fh-ppp12.monmouth.com [205.164.221.44]) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19348; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by i4got.lakewood.com id NAA16509 (8.8.5/IDA-1.6); Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Pechter Message-ID: <199707301751.NAA16509@i4got.lakewood.com> Subject: Sysadmin levels today? To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199707301449.IAA04613@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Jul 30, 97 08:49:12 am" Reply-to: pechter@lakewood.com X-Phone-Number: 908-389-3592 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Re: the current state of the industry: > Ahh, but you assume that we haven't ever seen [name withheld] before. > Unfortunately, his behavior is 'typical', in that he wants us to do all > his research and work for him, rather than him spending the time to do > his own work. He also shows a complete lack of interest in finding out > solutions to his own problems. > > I've dealt with him too many times over the last 2 years to have > anything but pity on any company he works for, since he will require > hand-holding and doesn't do anything on his own. > > Nate > Nate: You probably don't have time to read this so you can blow it off. Ignore the flame... I'm just venting. I'm redirecting to -chat. Isn't the above the current state of the business. I see a problem in the current state of the the art in Sysadmin-hood. I just went on a job interview this morning (headhunter) where I was asked if I know how to tune a kernel. Isn't that Intro to Sysadmin type stuff... remove unneeded devices, check vmstat, SAR, etc... I used to do Sysadmin training and I was shocked that people are screening Admin types with a simple question like that. Boy, I'm tired of watching the CNE, MSCNE types around work be unable to fix stuff without forty phone calls to tech support. Is the Sun/SCO/AIX certification process any better than Novell's paper CNEs? Is this just a $$$ generator for the company doing the certification and Drake testing? Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 | 908-389-3592 pechter@lakewood.com | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. This msg brought to you by the letters PDP and the number 11.