From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 15:54:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6AB1065672 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C998FC14 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2008 10:54:37 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id PFT49978; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2008 10:54:36 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18714.64571.839294.10637@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:54:35 -0500 To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20081112152121.GA1004@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <200811121259.25046.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> <20081112120147.GA62386@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20081112152121.GA1004@phenom.cordula.ws> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Release schedules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:38 -0000 cpghost writes: > > next release: when it's done. > > Actually, it's not so bad that the PRERELEASE phase is so long: > in this time, more bugs are being fixed that would have normally > been lingering in the pr database. The problem is not technical; no one has a problem with the idea right is better than sooner. The problem is administrative: failure to create reasonable expectations among the general user community, and particularly failure let people know when those expectations - for necessary and sufficient reasons - need to change. Case at hand: given that 7.1-Beta2 has been pending for (as far as I can tell) nearly two months (or maybe more) and - based on a casual reading of current@ - is in no danger of happening soon, the information at http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html about a November release for 7.1 is clearly a no-op. Yes, the page says "approximate" and "subject to slippage". But those should be measured against the context of an otherwise realisitic schedule; "early November" slips to "late November", not "April". (If this sees a bit of a hot button ... some of us are flashing on the many months of "almost got it" that preceded 5.0.) Robert Huff