From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 10 12:02:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD616A4BF for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390B943FB1 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8AJ2Dak011722 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:02:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8AJ1MmA002518 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:01:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8AJ1MSv002517 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:01:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Resent-Message-Id: <200309101901.h8AJ1MSv002517@nosferatu.blackend.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:28:13 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20030910072813.GA573@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20030909191117.H68939@wonkity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030909191117.H68939@wonkity.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Resent-From: marc@blackend.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:01:22 +0200 Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Backup Chapter Updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:02:24 -0000 On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 07:31:09PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > Browsing through the Backup chapter today, I saw the script for > generating a bootable floppy. > > Problem #1: the kernel config file shown has quite a bit of obsolete > stuff. > > Problem #2: okay, how about manually trimming everything possible out of > the 4.8 GENERIC kernel config file? It turns out that trimming it down > to fit on the approximate 273K of free space on a 1.4M floppy is > impossible. > It's possible to create a 1.4MB floppy for the backup purpose. > The questions: > > If current releases of FreeBSD (4/5) will only fit on a rare 2.8M > floppy, is it worth updating that section of the Backup chapter rather > than removing it? > You talk about GENERIC kernels and so, in a backup case, no one needs a GENERIC kernel. I have the update of that part in my (long) TODO list :)) > El Torito bootable CDs can use a 2.8M floppy image; should the script > and instructions be modified to produce such an image, and just forget > floppies? > The live CD (CD #2) is there for that, but I don't think "forget" floppies is a good idea cause when a problem occurs, it's still faster and easier to write a floppy in many cases. > Instructions on building a bootable recovery disk seem a little out of > place in the Backup chapter anyway. Hmm why? Backups also exist for the case a bad thing happens, so some instructions about recovery is not out of context. > Bootable CDs and LiveCDs have been > a topic of discussion on -questions, too. Is there a more appropriate > place for this type of material, or is the subject worthy of a chapter > by itself? Off-hand, I can think of a bunch of URLs that could be > included in such a chapter: FreeSBIE, the original Brazilian LiveCD, > MiniBSD, and some of the other small installs meant for embedded > Soekris-type use. But what do you call such a chapter? "Minimizing > FreeBSD", maybe? > It's a very technical thing, and a livecd (most of people see it as a Knoppix clone) is really different from a "reduced system" on many points. About small installations, some knobs have been added to the "world" but building a system for an embedded system is still difficult (asks for a good knowledge of FreeBSD), a lot of ways are possible. For example I use a custom PicoBSD with my soekris board, some others use in part rescue system, etc. So I'm not sure the Handbook would be the right place for this. A good (large) article would be perhaps a good thing. However, if it's just a question of adding URLs, the FAQ would be the right place. Marc