From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Apr 25 07:42:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE40B1CB3B for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@m.jwh.me.uk) Received: from eva.tinkyfi.com (eva.tinkyfi.com [107.191.63.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEF0A10DB for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@m.jwh.me.uk) Received: from [172.21.88.100] (cpc82705-staf9-2-0-cust342.3-1.cable.virginm.net [81.108.23.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mail@m.jwh.me.uk) by eva.tinkyfi.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3qtdV45gxbz3r26 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: why 100 packages are evil To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <5716FA70.4080604@freebsd.org> <57170E5D.1090701@freebsd.org> <5524F499-5042-407E-9180-43D15A53F3F0@FreeBSD.org> <7621BDAB-A409-456A-A3F1-A6CD9B371DBC@rdsor.ro> <20160420094806.GJ6614@zxy.spb.ru> <7c84f388-21dc-419f-70ce-c5369e294dab@freebsd.org> <34743.1461428396@critter.freebsd.dk> <571BB660.1070107@FreeBSD.org> <20160425074825.02a3b1409429ef916881ba46@aei.mpg.de> <571DC99A.60907@quip.cz> From: Joe Holden Message-ID: <571DCA53.8090900@m.jwh.me.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:42:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <571DC99A.60907@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:42:24 -0000 On 25/04/2016 08:39, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Gerrit Kühn wrote on 04/25/2016 07:48: >> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:52:32 +0100 Matthew Seaman >> wrote about Re: why 100 packages are evil: >> >> MS> > Is freebsd-update going away as result of the new packaging ? >> >>> Yes. It will be replaced by 'pkg upgrade' -- as far as I know, that's >>> the plan for 11.0-RELEASE. >> >> Hm... I never had any troubles with freebsd-update, it always "just >> worked" for me. OTOH, I remember having several issues with pkg, >> requiring >> to fix databases manually and so on. > > I had many issues with freebsd-update in the past so the last year I > converted all machines back to "installkernel & installworld" from NFS > mounted build server. It is faster and predictable than freebsd-update > (in my case). > I hope that pkg upgrade will be good replacement one day. But I don't > think it is good enough right now. > > Miroslav Lachman As another useless datapoint - I've not had any real issues with freebsd-update and I've been using it since 6.x, same with pkg(ng) after the initial bugs were ironed out, this is on 30-40 production servers.