From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 31 10:08:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867DB1065690; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EAD8FC08; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 353AF1CC0B3; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:08:21 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Achim Patzner Message-ID: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav=22?= , freebsd-hackers , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:08:21 -0000 On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). > It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come > creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the > penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do > hurt). > But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something > less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the > most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of > them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |