From nobody Fri Apr 28 13:46:43 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q7DRV42sVz48VSH for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Q7DRV23jMz3sbQ; Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1682689606; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Bo1f6UXPwC2+M0985QuwK6C0dnd/aYOA8UsLICGuZ2E=; b=ZGZ4Od8M22V7U7EyHbeXokQTApjD91Sm9oxSaUxAzmOVBIS2Dv9FxqzsZ4qmD1aLHMd9C9 ZD+aU+44ONYg4L0DbTSxaOdhQUuYW/Ic9CJjBC5BTiLd+mQbGiM6Z4g3defmPywggujvk9 8wFLOVwcUQVjCYcZqZjxeLHXWJtnXGRE4LR+OTOk9ywduNpc5u6h4GuRIHO2IDmuWhk7VY AwY1Vko3FLZxMlF1MlZmEhzm4pmvLFPrcvaTKIw90NVzhBx+fMiGwPkJAtpHXEra/uoYg+ aMiTvtSFOxMEEXghJmLTXAcdUMSTaYL/JhuWPIrw6isNkvExo/OxGJjjUg7dDA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1682689606; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Bo1f6UXPwC2+M0985QuwK6C0dnd/aYOA8UsLICGuZ2E=; b=d4TKMC1Fm/j39Cuh5mVaKqI1g1O11xT8RYG6vEeeh5P56xXjl1AixaR++dmcZ3vAff/NTL 8ErUxru7Lb2xN1SV6ln+P6AnZLi5WSQ8POMYgbPf9Dj4lPwsH4bRTCi1bUlaX6cvVdLMA0 Id2DLzgocrOcLJIX86gppLFmVYFL3qcB1U//608WJ25SgVr1X8XZeOj6Y72GKnOUnC4nT7 /JiXb0Oy9N+PuhNRLvqCzNzCMwvi98+aq+LtoErs6nB++hcU+zlm3lG6OQjiIr7DnqnJuJ Jttn+NtWD6Pa9Lmi6ZWfw9PvUFbTgOofPNuo6D+UBrLln6gcZBZrZmI6qfDlqQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1682689606; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Ld1YveIyIdpZWp90C8NdY7DJxASYQnUxftQZMuWsc8ICUvic+OZHn2Uho0seUe8vlI+uah iHtgpn23533jVXSeZLlSOBCHOXBK4L7HTNiuxXx4gHpXgG2AMZN4m5t2mE0pUfqzoRhtdl r9g/iSgffjlBzNtrVn+nobe7/yyICpqiX1jla4ENVLYlkQ/GkfEz4PDBjew8u/jJaBSP9V HMLmybpeO4E4U3vgnhwAWL4NrcrlfwPhM/sNqv+O/spl+YdJEVDptqrIB+HjceRULDMWb2 OH0v9HRIeQpbrRtd7tiNMc438ITjp5pEqeeDW3biTKwozjTKHZ2QKe2JfUsbfA== Received: from [IPV6:2601:648:8680:16b0:24f5:8737:ed3b:1175] (unknown [IPv6:2601:648:8680:16b0:24f5:8737:ed3b:1175]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Q7DRT2qXNzKgv; Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 06:46:43 -0700 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: Future of 32-bit platforms (including i386) Content-Language: en-US To: Poul-Henning Kamp , Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-arch References: <202304271732.33RHWLrw069782@critter.freebsd.dk> <202304280529.33S5TlU1073163@critter.freebsd.dk> From: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <202304280529.33S5TlU1073163@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/27/23 10:29 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > -------- > Warner Losh writes: > >>> If we do, the first two questions we will get back are: >>> >>> 1. When does 15 happen ? >>> >> >> Late 2025, give or take [...] > > My point was not so much which specific answers we agree on, as on > including those answers, up front, in the 32bit deprecation notice > up. That's a good point, and assuming we do settle on a consensus here, we should include some ballparks on those dates in the final announcement. -- John Baldwin