From owner-freebsd-current Mon Oct 30 20:19:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA10738 for current-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:19:58 -0800 Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA10727 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:19:52 -0800 Received: from localhost.jdl.com (localhost.jdl.com [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA19702; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:18:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199510310418.WAA19702@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost.jdl.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *MORE* FS problems, please fix! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:39:09 MST." <199510302039.NAA06584@phaeton.artisoft.com> Reply-To: jdl@chromatic.com Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:18:42 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-current@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, Terry Lambert scribbled: > > Well, if I can't get patches committed, the least I can do is > complain about problems and hope someone else can get their possibly > identical patches committed instead. > > ... > > Whoever reimplements this change (my patches aren't "good enough") > should note that it will be about as large in scope as the patches > I already submitted for FS layering. This means that you probably > don't stand a chance of success unless you have commit priveledges. Wait. I don't get it. I've been using FreeBSD for a solid year. I've been watching this list for just under a year. I've personally noted that almost everything Terry has said has had some kernel of truth to it even if he had to argue his point *again* and *again*. And maybe some of it was tainted with personal agenda occasionally, but we all do that to a certain extent. Nevertheless, I'm quite at a loss to understand why either: 1) He feels his patches are "good enough", or 2) His patches *aren't* good enough. I confess to being a bit out of sorts on the technical aspects of File Systems. I know FS code to the level presented in, say, the XINU book. All I can see is that he consistently has a good grasp on the technical issues here. I further don't understand, or know enough history to know why certain other members of the FreeBSD team feel he shouldn't be given commit privs. I don't need to know; their reasons are probably sound -- if there was a "conflict of interest" reason, that's pretty sound. But I don't know why he's having problems getting patches or code accepted for general use. Am I missing something fundamental? I don't think should piss Terry off and have him leave the FreeBSD project in a huff. It just wouldn't be right. So where are the negative vibes coming from, Moriarty? jdl