From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 31 03:20:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23C4106564A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nanoman@nanoman.ca) Received: from mail.nanoman.ca (mail.nanoman.ca [76.10.173.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311768FC0A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nanocomputer.nanoman.ca (nanocomputer.nanoman.ca [192.168.1.9]) by mail.nanoman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BF8115ED; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nanocomputer.nanoman.ca (Postfix, from userid 62661) id BA4F31726F; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:20:33 -0400 From: "A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman)" To: Jeremy Messenger Message-ID: <20120831032033.GE31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> References: <20120830182257.GC31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> <20120830214321.GD31703@nanocomputer.nanoman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="HnQK338I3UIa/qiP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Nanoman's Company User-Agent: Mutt (FreeBSD) Cc: gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WANT_GNOME Causes Automatic Dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nanoman@nanoman.ca List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:20:35 -0000 --HnQK338I3UIa/qiP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeremy Messenger wrote: >On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:43 PM, A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman) > wrote: >> Jeremy Messenger wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM, A.J. Kehoe IV (Nanoman) >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> WANT_GNOME causes automatic dependencies. This causes problems for po= rt >>>> and >>>> package management, as described in the FreeBSD Porter's Handbook on t= he >>>> "Dependencies" page under "Problems Caused by Automatic Dependencies": >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/make= file-depend.html >>> >>> >>> I agree, I have got rid of it in bsd.mate.mk. >> >> >> Awesome! Automatic dependencies have been causing me grief for about a >> decade, so this makes me happy. > >I wanted to clean up all of issues for long time and finally did it in >the bsd.mate.mk (copied from bsd.gnome.mk). Here's what I did. I have >removed the features: > > -HAVE:Mfoo, A lot of users don't know, hide and lacking OPTIONS stuff. > It's not difficult to add autocheck in the Makefile without that > HAVE:Mfoo anyway if configure doesn't provide option to disable. > > -foo_USE_GNOME_IMPL, we do not maintain it very well. Also it was not > easy to track it down for the other maintainers to figure where the > dependencies come from. I think it's best to put a complete > dependencies in the ports rather than having IMPL doing it for you. > > -Remove the gnomeprefix and replace it to something like > GCONFPREFIX=3D--gconf=3D...., so you can put ${GCONFPREFIX} in the > Makefile's CONFIGURE_ARGS. Because not all ports have the > same flags. > > -Remove the referencehack, yes it works great but it's ugly in the > every Makefile. > >I think that's all. Only a feature that has been added is :build and >:run. If anyone have something in mind to improvement or else, let me >know and I will see what I can do. I plan to copy all of improvement >from bsd.mate.mk to bsd.gnome.mk, which I already did with :build and >:run and will doing more later when I have time permit. Unless someone >can help me with it. Does anyone maintain a dependencies map for GNOME? I'm thinking of somethi= ng like this, but parsable, legible, and current: http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_kde_deps/gnome2-lite.png It would also need to indicate how optional components fit together. [...] >> I'm not fond of my misc/gnome-components method either, so any alternati= ve >> ideas are very welcome. All I've done thus far is created a Makefile wi= th >> an OPTIONS list for the 97 components from bsd.gnome.mk. >> >> What do you suggest for a real fix/clean? Based on your response, the i= deal >> fix has at least two attributes: >> >> 1. No automatic dependencies. >> >> 2. An option to disable specific components. > >I meant by remove the HAVE_GNOME from port Makefile then switch to either: > >1) automatic dependency by using exists() or >2) OPTIONS if the port's configure provides flag to disable. > >It is unnecessary to make it complicates with gnome-components when >the standard solution available in our ports tree. As for the #1, yes, >it has to be there because a few configure files do that without >option to disable (blame it on upstream). I'm not opposed to writing patches that will make the WANT_GNOME ports decl= are their dependencies predictably. There are approximately 183 ports usin= g WANT_GNOME, so writing these patches is going to take me several days, fo= llowed by weeks of waiting for maintainer updates. I might be able to get = through this faster by asking the maintainers to assist me, but I expect to= have to do most on my own. I'm absolutely willing to abort my misc/gnome-components plan in favour of = a better idea. If writing patches for roughly 183 ports is considered a be= tter idea, then this is what I will do instead. It is indeed a problem when a port doesn't respect configure arguments to e= nable or disable optional features, but exists() causes automatic dependenc= ies. Fortunately, there are two solutions: A. Convince the upstream source that they need to fix this at their end. S= ending them a patch is the best way. B. Write a patch that fixes this within the FreeBSD Ports Collection. Such= a patch may require upkeep by the port maintainer. >> I'm trying to get this issue resolved as quickly as possible, but I want= the >> fix to be done well. Again, any suggestions or alternative solutions are >> welcome. > >I don't see why you are in such of hurry when we have that issue for >years (longer than I became committer). When doing it in hurry always >make messy, complicate or whatever. Hences for gnome-components. > >Cheers, >Mezz I'm responsible for hundreds of FreeBSD systems, each with its own unique s= et of packages installed. Automatic dependencies make my job much more lab= our intensive than it needs to be, and the added work increases my chances = of making a mistake. pkgng 1.0 was released today, and FreeBSD 9.1 will be= released soon, so I'll soon have a lot of upgrading to do. I've grown exceedingly weary of dealing with the problems caused by automat= ic dependencies, and I just don't want to tolerate it any longer. It's onl= y a tiny minority of ports that declare their dependencies using this unpre= dictable method, so I've decided to weed them out to make my life easier. --=20 A.J. 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