Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:11:18 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Denny White" <dennyboy@cableone.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNMEKHFBAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050603001722.Y600@dualman.cableone.net>
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Glad to hear it. The system docs are designed to be readable in lynx. A better video card will just make wmaker run faster with more colors and higher resolution. Of course, unless your running a browser like firefox the extra colors don't do anything. Ted >-----Original Message----- >From: Denny White [mailto:dennyboy@cableone.net] >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:54 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > > >Learning a lot so far, like checking make options >next time when I first install fbsd. Picking the >programs that are multithreaded, etc. As for X, >I've got some video cards I could try out, but >right now, I'm pretty satisfied with wmaker. Pretty >much setup barebones with just enough to do what >I need to do visually in a gui. Most of the time, >it's lynx for reading html docs pertaining to >the system mostly. Thanks, Ted. > > >On Tue, 31 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >> Well the SCSI disks in it are probably slower seek time than >> modern IDE. You actually don't learn a lot from SCSI on those >> systems since all the work is done for you - the drives are all >> setup identically and the cage takes care of termination. The >> big win with SCSI on that vintage is that back then SCSI drives >> had MTBF of 100,000 hours, IDE more like 10,000 that is why >> everyone running servers used SCSI. >> >> clamav is going to run like a dog on anything slower than a 1Ghz >> system. What the clam scanner has to do is tremendously cpu >> intensive. And clam isn't multithreaded so SMP does nothing unless >> your running multiple clamscans at the same time. >> >> You can probably jazz up X by turning off the integrated video >> and adding in a good video card. I think the video onboard were >> really crappy Trident chipsets with small amounts of ram. These >> were servers after all, intended to just sit there, nobody used >> the video for anything. >> >> Ted >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:22 AM >>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >>> >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Ted, >>> All I've got and can afford is right now is the old >>> stuff I already have. I want to use the Netserver, not >>> only to experiment with dual processors, but also because >>> I have never worked with scsi or hardware raid before, >>> only ide. You're exactly right too, what you said about >>> folks like me trying to milk way too much out of old >>> systems. It's a PII 300 dual-processor, not that the 2 >>> processors help a lot, and I do have smp in the kernel. >>> I've watched top's output while running a clamav scan. >>> The whole thing bogs down. X is slow too, but works. >>> Thought about overclocking, but don't want to burn it >>> up yet. Still okay tho, for nfs & ssh on my lan and >>> later a firewall box too. Added this to the kernel >>> >>> options EISA_SLOTS=12 >>> >>> and rebuilt it, but it doesn't help. I'll keep on picking >>> at it until I'm satisfied I've tweaked it all I can. >>> Thanks for the help and advice. >>> Denny >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 30 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Denny, >>>> >>>> I used to admin a network with a number of those systems on it >>>> but it's been years since I've dealt with one, so I've forgotten >>>> everything from the BIOS screen. But I did know that HP had the >>>> manuals online, so when you said you had no manual for it, I >>>> naturally assumed that you were unaware that HP is still supporting >>>> them (after a fashion) and that a few minutes work would get you the >>>> manual. Now, if you had posted something like "I read the manual >>>> and the option isn't in there" that would have been different. >>>> You could try running eisaconfig on it and setting the Operating >>>> System parameter to SCO Unix or some such, but I don't know if this >>>> is even an option, much less if it would work. >>>> >>>> I have a customer that ran one of these systems for years with >>>> FreeBSD 4.X on it (4.8 I think) so I know that the 4.x series will >>>> at least run on them. As I recall these are Pentium 200Hmz systems, >>>> correct? If so, FreeBSD 5.X won't get you anything more than >>>> what you would get for 4.X. These systems made really >>>> nice, solid little servers in their day. Even today they are >>>> good for small tasks like network monitoring, etc. and if I were >>>> in your shoes I would certainly want to use the system if I had >>>> something for it that wasn't too taxing on the CPU. But you >>>> are like a lot of people who have posted on this forum in the >>>> last few years who have tried pushing older hardware to run >>>> FreeBSD 5.X, sometimes it works but most of the time it doesen't >>>> seem to. I never even bother booting 5.X on anything that isn't >>>> at minimum a Pentium II 500Mhz system nowadays. >>>> >>>> The only other suggestion I would make is to ask in a hardware >>>> forum, or on Usenet in a hardware forum. >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of >Denny White >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:07 AM >>>>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >>>>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Spent several sleepless nights searching >>>>> hp's site before asking my question. Guess >>>>> I refused to accept the obvious, that you >>>>> could only reserve resources for non pnp >>>>> devices that fbsd couldn't probe. I also >>>>> tried acpi, since the docs say it has a >>>>> different method of probing. See, I did >>>>> read it. I just hoped someone else might >>>>> know something I'd missed or didn't under- >>>>> stand. Always try to do my research before >>>>> posting on here. Don't always understand >>>>> what I read, but I keep reading. And I don't >>>>> post questions like "Help", or "I can't >>>>> install FreeBSD, what'll I do"? But hey, >>>>> thanks for being there, old sport. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of >>> Denny White >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:40 PM >>>>>>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>>>> Subject: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, the following definitely shows the >>>>>>> BIOS in this old Netserver is PNP. I ran >>>>>>> biosdecode on it and got this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Slot Entry 10: ID 00:0d, on-board >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to disable PNP in this >>>>>>> particular computer? I have no manual on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Resource.jsp?l >>>> ocale=en_U >>>>> S&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=50440&prodTypeId=15351 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> RTFM first, then come here. >>>>> >>>>> Ted >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) >>>> >>>> iD8DBQFCm0gqy0Ty5RZE55oRArjVAJ0Zo4ZnLeP3pS6j0wg86qNnQMG0uQCgw8RI >>>> 7J/Uipixx4KIAcfoMLAZFAM= >>>> =pYax >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) >>> >>> iD8DBQFCnEjay0Ty5RZE55oRAkdCAJ9W9V+21psMmeYJEa67JXmhRCvkUwCgy3H4 >>> ihDghpkZ3kHNxw1zRuV+x5I= >>> =4c1d >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) > >iD8DBQFCn/COy0Ty5RZE55oRApL0AJ9vcp3cV2C7x6pUqbAUjyfUxCQM9ACfY/R7 >KQPUo8LiEWYSxxpB5eywE+U= >=5doW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
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