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From: Stefan Bethke <stb@lassitu.de>
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Am 02.09.2005 um 18:55 schrieb Marcel Moolenaar:

> This allows us to not display the boot probe gobbledegook so that  
> we can present
> the end-user with a nice logo[...]

I know that Marcel actually qualified this statement, but I'd still  
like point out this common misconception.

People are interested in receiving information that is useful to  
them.  Being informed about startup progress is useful information;  
most people (me included) just don't care about the details.  (Unless  
I'm trying to debug a problem.)  A "nice logo" has nothing to do with  
it.  As Marcel points out, there should be a mechanism that serves  
more than one purpose.  F'up to -chat...


Stefan

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