Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:50:08 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> To: Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, 'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Retiring in-tree GDB Message-ID: <20151020215008.GH42243@zxy.spb.ru> In-Reply-To: <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org> References: <2678091.es0AGJQ0Ou@ralph.baldwin.cx> <5626B15C.4080408@FreeBSD.org>
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:25:48PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > > However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for some of > > our platforms (namely x86) for 11. In particular, I think we should default > > Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and the > working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away. > > > to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the following > > Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to build > or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages. > > Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here for > me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc. We > can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though. > > If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be > adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I know > lldb is already there but I don't think it should be. > > Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. The > discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default". > The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users > need a debugger? I don't think so. When you need debuger you may don't have way to install it.
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