From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 10 17:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA15404 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15390 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from obie [199.104.124.49] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xfx9z-0006D3-00; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:11:27 -0700 Message-ID: <348F3F64.167EB0E7@xmission.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:18:28 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why so many steps to build new kernel? References: <199712101822.NAA13096@gatekeeper.itribe.net> <348EEE76.9E2D9D34@idt.net> <348EFB00.86391B42@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jerry Hicks wrote: > > Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > > > Jamie Bowden wrote: > > > > > > And emacs isn't the greatest > > > program ever written, that would be vi. :P > > > > Now you've done it - you let the secret out... ;-} > > > > Gary > > (a graduate of Berkeley) > > Nope, you're both wrong. > > ed Nope, you're *all* wrong. /kernel ;^) And, to the original poster, the reason so many here react so violently to stupid exercises like slapping a GUI on top of building a kernel is that it adds no value whatsoever. Pick a more meaningful task, one that is exercised more often, and has a more "GUI" nature, ask people about that, and you'll (usually) get a "better" answer. GUIs lend themselves *only* to tasks that are done quite often and that are highly interactive in nature. If you don't believe me, look at the GUI for nearly any backup product that has one; they all suck. Backups are not an interactive process and slapping a GUI on top of them doesn't add much, if anything, to the user's ability to do it. I feel that kernel building falls square into this category also. If you feel differently, feel free to build a graphical kernel-configuring tool, give it to the FreeBSD project, and convince me otherwise. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com