From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 14 16:09:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1159D1065694 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3ED8FC3F for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so595997and.13 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JP9o25PHWPNhyj3q1RiV5Ykub5NLgWBbqoWbehCx4p8=; b=ImSCCaRt9ITij75AR14lfdKxOLmcKprA0P3GphcsmwJ0yw4BM9ndN/6E2b6CLHOcmv OQBWr4875S4XL0kx1SvR06Hl6Mqg2dMNz2ofo3kbJ4e5ai2ns2ansY0/KVVXfsLqTrQN IC8sDCvD8okRvUitbFRETnYYXHN/Pg8QENEXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qHO3+GIhUsExRq+7T2AaHwHzeIb9bCMqdYTdYHP7r4gmXToVQcEJMDEIMyaGMYBF2g k0UpAGduhY4dQGellRccq2/W2WT/IFpJM3wX4UFc0cDcnw84DroRqU65qtDL0sti/bsX hEiLahaRuADwE7Uxp18n1vOteN+Y9kqUMgE5U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.165.2 with SMTP id s2mr1894921ano.16.1250266193111; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1001036116.730501250265523013.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> References: <1250265019.2306.35.camel@soundwave.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com> <1001036116.730501250265523013.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:09:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Tim Gustafson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:54 -0000 On 8/14/09, Tim Gustafson wrote: >> No one has gone near that stuff in years. We don't even >> have gmirror(8) creation support in there. Best not to use >> sysinst. The livefs image has all of the tools that you >> need to bootstrap a system. > > That's a silly answer. The way to get more people to use FreeBSD is to make > the installation process as easy and complete as possible. If bootstrapping > a system using the livefs file system is possible, then there's no reason > that the functionality couldn't or shouldn't be built into the installer. > > Yes, a higher-level sysadmin can do it...but the vast majority of people who > administer servers for a living are not higher-level sysadmins. And those who are unfamiliar with a system will likely use the default filesystem an OS provides. That's UFS2 for most people. Especially since ZFS is still considered experimental, I find it unreasonable to have the installer support something that isn't considered permanent. Also, since ZFS is a hog when it comes to system resources, works best on amd64, and many other factors/tuning, you expect this all to be available if someone wants to install to an embedded firewall? Or to some little special purpose system? I don't use ZFS, UFS2 works fine for me. I would find it ridiculous to see ZFS support in the installer, but all GEOM should be supported. Especially the raid3 and mirror. I think you're expecting the world... Maybe a check is in order. > Tim Gustafson > Baskin School of Engineering > UC Santa Cruz > tjg@soe.ucsc.edu > 831-459-5354