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Date:      Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:36:55 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Jonathan Lemon <jlemon@americantv.com>
Cc:        alk@pobox.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: PETSc
Message-ID:  <19981003113655.T2176@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <19981002205856.25864@right.PCS>; from Jonathan Lemon on Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 08:58:56PM -0500
References:  <13845.8432.160567.743719@avalon.east> <19981002143756.08043@right.PCS> <19981003112227.S2176@freebie.lemis.com> <19981002205856.25864@right.PCS>

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On Friday,  2 October 1998 at 20:58:56 -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote:
> On Oct 10, 1998 at 11:22:27AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Friday,  2 October 1998 at 14:37:56 -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote:
>>> On Oct 10, 1998 at 01:53:00PM -0500, Tony Kimball wrote:
>>>> from http://www.msc.anl.gov:
>>>>
>>>> We no longer actively support FreeBSD or the Intel Paragon.. If you
>>>> are really need these machines with PETSc and it is important to you,
>>>> please send mail to petsc-maint@mcs.anl.gov and we will provide you
>>>> with the bmake files. If you currently use FreeBSD, we highly
>>>> recommend switching to Linux; we plan to provide strong Linux support
>>>> in the future.
>>>
>>> They also say:
>>>
>>> 	One must use gnumake, not the freeBSD make. The freeBSD
>>> 	make was heavily modified from real make and is essentially
>>> 	worthless; it should not even be called make!
>>>
>>> Showing a certain bias (and ignorance) here, aren't they?
>>
>> Well, you must be looking at a whole different web.  My DNS can't find
>> www.msc.anl.gov, so I tried http://www.mcs.anl.gov.  But there's no
>> mention of FreeBSD on that page.
>
> I believe it was http://www.mcs.anl.gov -> software -> petsc -> machines
>
> (sorry, I don't have the url handy right now)

Ah.  It's http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/docs/machines.html (but it's
hidden behind an unbookmarkable frame.  What do these people think
of?).

Well, yes, it's another typical case of Linux bigotry.  I wouldn't
take it much more seriously than a teenager flaming in a newsgroup.

> Also, IIRC, BSD make (pmake) took a lot of pains to remain compliant
> with "basic" make, so I feel that this was an unwarranted slam.
> (Yes, I did send off a note to the maintainers).

Well, that's not the way I see it.  BSD (p)make does contain some
gratuitous changes compared to AT&T make.  It works pretty well, but
it's not suitable for compiling GNU software.  GNU make also contains
a number of changes which are incompatible with the BSD changes, but
on the whole it stays much more compatible with AT&T make.

Greg
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